Raw aggression isn't the purest form of masculinity. Humans are more complex so express more complex masculinity. Cold violence vs impulsive violence.
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Caesar being a leader was more advanced manly because he wasn't selected for having the greatest physical prowess - yet he was the deadliest man alive. 60 men can murder Caesar. Caesar can kill 430k Germani and enslave a million Celts.
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There's a line there somewhere - Caesar isn't a Rust coder. Is Caesar more manly than Conan? I'd argue yes because he hews closer to the human masculine ideal of being a ruthlessly effective leader of men who deal violence.
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Men feel admiration and loyalty to Caesar because of his masculine energy; worse leaders don't get that to the same degree. Call that what you will but it certainly exists and it's an assessment of the character of the general.
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He inspired admiration before he had victories to back it up. I brought that up because you were saying that the visceral impression of the athlete as more masculine was unmatched by anything on the other side. There are visceral reactions to both types of masculinity.
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