So the solution to Woke is to find those "alternative trees", and importantly to make sure that they aren't even worse than wokeness.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
I know we're picking on the novelty of drawing comparisons between Woke and Christianity today. But, if that’s true, I’m skeptical of these solutions. Can you redirect religious evolution in this way? It seems it has a world-historical logic that defies simple incentive changes.
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There are choice-points I think. It was not guaranteed that the USSR would turn communist, and the Bolsheviks made that happen with a comparatively small amount of force.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
The Bolsheviks won from the start because of the dispute resolution built into the religion all the revolutionaries shared - "always defer to the most left-wing" The Bolsheviks couldn't lose.
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They could have not turned up to the fight. Lenin could have given up. Etc. America may be approaching a point of high chaos, and chaotic systems can be nudged with small but precise forces. Someone might nudge it into a race war. Or a new USSR.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
Lenin gives up and someone else takes his place - there was a whole cohesive band there ready for someone to use it to take power - someone would have.
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Germany was on the brink of going commie in that period and it didn't. The bolsheviks had this as their plan. It was an unstable period, an unstable state where things could have gone either way.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
The existence of the Bolsheviks acted as a very strong coordination point by making it very stark what the alternative was - basically unite around any ideology that isn't communism or lose to the reds and have a red terror.
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And yet they still came close to winning in Germany, and the french revolution thing was ample evidence of what could go wrong so you didn't really need to see it again.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
Greg Cochran made the excellent point in one of his podcasts with James Miller that vanishingly few men (and basically none who are near power) are capable of learning from reading history and can only really learn things they can witness closely.
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It's actually not a bad trait for leaders because they can see the lies that get enshrined as part of the official narrative as it's being made and adjust but without careful study how can you make those same judgments about periods you're far less familiar with.
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