You can't beat Woke without addressing the underlying signalling incentives. No logical argument will work.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @CovfefeAnon and
Wokeness allows people to signal all sorts of useful things like personal morality, intelligence, cosmopolitanism, conformity, etc. People need to do signalling like beavers need to build dams.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @CovfefeAnon and
If beavers were destroying your expensive rare fruit trees to build dams with, would you try to logically persuade the beavers to stop building dams? No, you'd provide them with alternative trees to use for their instinctive dam-building activity.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @CovfefeAnon and
So the solution to Woke is to find those "alternative trees", and importantly to make sure that they aren't even worse than wokeness.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
I know we're picking on the novelty of drawing comparisons between Woke and Christianity today. But, if that’s true, I’m skeptical of these solutions. Can you redirect religious evolution in this way? It seems it has a world-historical logic that defies simple incentive changes.
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There are choice-points I think. It was not guaranteed that the USSR would turn communist, and the Bolsheviks made that happen with a comparatively small amount of force.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
Yes, "critical junctures." They make me lose sleep because we can't know them ex ante, only seen in hindsight. Some on here have been suggested ours already passed
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When was the west's critical juncture?
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
Jim's answer that I find pretty persuasive is when King George IV failed to divorce Caroline for blatantly flagrant adultery and whoring fatally weakening the crown in everyone's eyes and remaking the status hierarchy.
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Why would that matter? Anyway, I don't know much about the 1800s so I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound that important to me.
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It matters because it determines who and what is high status. A healthy social structure needs a King at the top who is the fount of all honors. Without one you get power that cloaks itself in anonymity and bad signalling from trying to please power in the form of an egregore
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