I'll just say it: I don't believe in that at all, so "they" are an heterogeneous group. I think there's a lot of out-group down-sampling in this thread.
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Replying to @flancian @Grumpy_Hoosier and
That's true, but if you look at the history of e.g. the Russian Revolution it's full of "useful idiots", the same is also true of the rise of Hitler. At some point you become a cell in the body of the leftist egregore, and the wishes of the cell matter little.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
You could argue we are all part of many egregores, though -- some (all?) of them are bound to do their independent bidding. I'm a leftist willingly, but we are a diverse group with many different opinions. I align with libertarian socialism most of all.
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Replying to @flancian @Grumpy_Hoosier and
To exert independent will as a leftist right now I think you have to vote for Trump, oppose immigration & woke, and once things have stabilised back to the politics of ~2000 make plays for sound left-wing ideas like progressive taxation/UBI in America & peace with China.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
I'm cutting to the chase; global, likely privately backed UBI and a communism-capitalism synthesis (symbiosis?) sums me up currently honestly.
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Replying to @flancian @RokoMijicUK and
Privately backed? As in billionaires etc. put a great deal of money into UBI for the whole world? It's a more lucid suggestion than a state or Congress of them doing it, but seems like the one thing that our massively bloated plutocrats would struggle to fund.
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Replying to @OLITHEN @RokoMijicUK and
Honestly, billionaires might not be the first. I'm betting on the tech workers and such. Think about it: many have diverse cultural backgrounds, come from relatively impoverished places but now have money. They are also often utilitarian.
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Replying to @flancian @Grumpy_Hoosier and
Global UBI is a terrible idea. Awful. Cross a British council estate with African child soldiers and the drugs/decay of Detroit. Charter cities and charter nations are a much smarter idea.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @flancian and
If you want to help people you need to give them the right atoms (food, water, shelter, safety) and the right memes (family, culture, justice, belonging). UBI across the globe can't do that.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
Why not? Honestly I don't see it. Capitalism set up the logistics and financial networks for commerce. Sending people stuff is relatively straightforward. Exchanging memes is what the internet is for.
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