It's a joke; "your relationship to government" and "the public order". Doing some reading or actual observation about the people being discussed - he's "typical minding" them to an insane degree. Everything swallowed up by refusal to engage with the real implications of HBD
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @17cShyteposter
The people don't need to be consciously thinking in pompous terms of "the public order" in order for the model to more-or-less fit; quantitative group trait diffs can be small enough to not affect the basic logic of civilization and universal human naturehttps://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Cyj6wQLW6SeF6aGLy/the-psychological-unity-of-humankind …
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"Universal human nature" is a joke because humans aren't a single species. These are people whose ancestors didn't live in cities and don't have a conception of the basic logic of civilization - no ancestral history in civitas
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @17cShyteposter
Adaptation to cities (
@gcochran99's 10K year explosion) is just ("just") selecting on standing variation (http://unremediatedgender.space/2020/Apr/book-review-human-diversity/#standing-variation …), not enough time for new complex functional adaptations (argument in grandparent link). Implications for present-day sociology are not obvious!1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
Good reading (as always) at the link Selection on variation doesn't say much about its the power. Changing the criteria for mating success directly - which is what cities did - is very powerful Veblen saw it enough to id it but it fully dominates the mating of the other speciespic.twitter.com/mK5rxvs1jb
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"There were plenty of good-doing boys [...] aiming toward a straight life. But they were out of it in their own community" suggests that the "spurious aristocracy" system is partially a matter of local cultural incentives. (Actual HBD isn't strawman genetic determinism!)
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Sure; but look at the whole quote - those boys are low status and stay that way *unless whites impose white cultural norms* on those neighborhoods - entirely artificial. The genes of those boys are rapidly disappearing under current conditions.
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I see.
More generally (as a rationalist, I have NO interest in specific cases, and ESPECIALLY not politically-sensitive ones; I can ONLY articulate the GENERAL laws) populations are more predictable than individuals because of the law of large numbers. 1/22 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
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@zackmdavis I sometimes- occasionally- do have interest in specific cases. I could justify this by saying the tangible details of a case are sometimes surprising in a way my model hadn't explicitly accounted for- 1/?2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
"No interest in specific cases" was rhetorical hyperbole, trying to dodge the unease of having a productive public conversation with one who openly doesn't care about respecting antiracist moral sensibilities, while I'm trying to simultaneously be moral and understand reality
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>while I'm trying to simultaneously be moral and understand reality "Well there's your problem right there" The moral code in question is the result of selective pressure to deny reality because only that allows it to consume more and more energy.
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I think we disagree about how much of the selective pressure is "'point deer, make horse' as power game" vs. "obfuscate models that imply departure from the Schelling point of Equality"?
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Isn't it obvious by now that there is no Schelling point in "equality"? It's easily chipped away because it requires people to point out uncomfortable things about people who outnumber you and have votes and more importantly because it's not a well defined claim. 1/2
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