I didn't get my stats wrong. I have proprietary US state-level data on imprisonment in front of me and the median duration for people convicted of first degree murder with no prior convictions and with no additional convictions is ~9.5 years.
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What percent of people convicted of first-degree murder with no prior convictions also have no additional convictions? I keep hearing about charge-stacking, but don't know how common it is.
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Some murderers are the worst of the worst all-around criminals, while other murderers are normally law-abiding but just really really hate this one person. Murderers are a bimodal distribution in terms of recidivism, I suspect.
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Yeah, I'm betting most of the ones I'm catching in my very limited definition are intimate partner murders. Less, "I need to kill this guy to take his drugs," more, "I really don't want to pay this bitch alimony."
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I've seen it argued that we should have short prison sentences for many murderers because they aren't a danger for recidivism: they only just hated one guy, and that guy's not around anymore, so everything is good.
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Replying to @gcochran99 @Steve_Sailer and
No prisons is a perfectly reasonable position. All crimes should be dealt with by one of the following: Lashes Hanging Restitution
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@PeterMoskos argued In Defense of Flogging against incarceration, but corporal punishment generally lacks the incapacitative effect of prison2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
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You don't lash someone three times - you move on to one of the other punishments on the list that does have (permanent) incapacitative effects
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Restitution doesn't have incapacitative effects, so that just leaves hanging. And our current legal system is chock full of obstacles against that.
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Obviously our current legal system needs replacement - it's the result of a war between people who are ideologically committed to favoring policies that maximize crime and people who try to mitigate the harm of that by creating work-arounds (@Steve_Sailer 's ex of the drug war)
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @gcochran99 and
You're describing a policy tug-of-war, which is unlikely to get resolved one way or another. Both Mark Kleiman and Robin Hanson provide examples of attempts to tug the rope sideways: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2019/03/tug-sideways.html …
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^ makes false assumptions about left "Pulling sideways" is instantly recognized and attacked or co opted b/c the left's goals aren't their stated goals. In this ex they act to maximize crime - anything that interferes w that is opposed There's no solution in the current system
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