I think I make a point of saying "classical liberal" instead of "libertarian" in recognition of that. if anything NRx is more like classical liberalism for people who *have* noticed libertarianism is kind of dumb.
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and yeah a lot of arguments aren't about monomaniacal commitment to some abstract "liberty" at all but about securing the political conditions in which some cultural element valuable in itself can exist. obviously "meritocracy" is about *merit*
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NRx absolutely rejects "meritocracy" - which was a lie to begin with If you're looking for merit it's vitally important to look at a man's ancestors in combination with his "merit" because ancestry is predictive
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but "ancestry is predictive" is still a long way from "ancestry *intrinsically* matters". you're *not* saying the legitimate heir to the throne is the legitimate heir and if he happens to be a complete incompetent and all-around-embarrassment, well, tough shit, he's the king.
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no, that's probably what you still don't get. you're confusing "intrinsically" with "independently" - ancestry doesn't matter intrinsically (it matters, if at all, due to its correlates) but it does matter independently (once you set up a hereditary system, that's that)
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no, I get the distinction, I'm just suggesting that when you say "i*if at all*; due to its correlates" you're already making a secularizing and modernizing move. the idea the legitimacy of the succession itself is what matters above all isn't eo ipso crazy or stupid
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you should try reading jon elster, esp "Sour Grapes". The idea of essential byproducts will help you think more clearly about this (not in terms of "moves", lol);
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for example falling asleep is important so you can work hard the next day but thinking about how important it is to work hard won't make you fall asleep. Sleepiness is not intrinsically valuable but it is independently valuable
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The ethos of any traditional elite is the same way - bushido, chivalry, agapē - you can evaluate their social importance extrinsically: but if extrinsic standards X&Y are what guides you, you aren't participating in the ethos that promotes X &Y !
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yes, I know. I was pointing out that you aren't participating in the ethos that promotes X and Y!https://twitter.com/schakalsynthetc/status/1076159204115841024?s=19 …
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crepuscular dispatch @schakalsynthetcReplying to @CovfefeAnon @QuasLacrimas @0x49fa98but "ancestry is predictive" is still a long way from "ancestry *intrinsically* matters". you're *not* saying the legitimate heir to the throne is the legitimate heir and if he happens to be a complete incompetent and all-around-embarrassment, well, tough shit, he's the king.2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
Well of course - that ethos is either dead or sleeping It's also the only functional ethos discovered so far and once it's been restored then men who've lived no other ethos will participate in it but this time they'll have written accounts of why it's disastrous to abandon it
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in other words, "please don't ask a Wittgensteinian to grasp ethics with a conceptual vocabulary. it offends our moral sensibilities." QED.
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