If you are still listening and willing to hear me out, I do have some things I would like to say. Before I do however, let me preface by saying that yes, I 100% agree that a lot of the flack you got was complete BS. People were absolutely unfair to you in many instances.
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
I think a tone was a big factor. Many of these tweets gave the appearance that you were enamored at being included in talks with these people rather than intending to really use this as a platform to attack the foundations of bigotry and forward progressive ideals. (see pic)pic.twitter.com/nXZuwm19C8
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
I will also say that your comment about peoples objection to the group being invented out of a single post made by a banned user is disingenuous. While I am certain that that's where some of the criticism came from a lot of it was more akin to what I have screen capped here.pic.twitter.com/i8ly7yzFPW
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
I took the time, a lot of time actually to stop by the UBC Free Speech Club's FB page and read comments and posts and look them up on google to see what I could find. It's very cool that the donations where going to the trevor project.
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
I also agree after looking further into them that to call them a hate group might be a bit much. However, that being said, I think that screen cap had it about right calling them something like a 4chan meetup group and their boards contain MANY, not one, hate filled posts.
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
It DOES however look like they are in fact actively trying to change that which is cool but It's highly understandable that people would object to participation with what looked to be ostensibly a group set up to house channers and by association, the alt right.
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
Considering that these stories here are what people knew about them, how do you think people perceived what you were doing? https://www.evensi.ca/ubc-free-speech-club-pub-night-blarney-stone/194488211 … http://theprovince.com/news/local-news/anti-fascist-activists-clash-with-ubc-free-speech-club-in-downtown-vancouver … https://mus.ge/en/play/D9sxvcp67W4/ubc_free_speech_club_don_maga_hats_for_launch_event/ …pic.twitter.com/mXyhHLakGT
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
Tweets can be missed. Maybe it would have been helpful to include some of this information in the initial announcement. As I often end up saying to alt righters when I talk to them, it's not up to others to intuate your intent, it's up to you to make it clear.
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And the thing is, we had felt betrayed by people we believed in before. I was genuinely upset when Laci Green went right. When I saw you posting similarly, these were my thoughts at the time:https://twitter.com/FretsMakesMusic/status/933135390050942981 …
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Replying to @FretsMakesMusic @ContraPoints and
Anyway, I still think you have done very good work. Part of the reason I was as upset as I was over the prospect of you turning right is that I invested a lot of personal energy getting friends and others to watch your stuff. If you took the time to read this, thank you.
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Thanks for being civil and straightforward. FWIW I will not be agreeing to any more debates or interviews for a long time.
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Replying to @ContraPoints @FretsMakesMusic and
Also I did a stream responding to a lot of these criticisms here: https://youtu.be/RlAIEuplnDs
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