42. Dan Abramov has said that Redux is not a javascript clone of Re-frame (the CLJS framework for writing SPAs in react), it is just that both were inspired by elm and arrived at similar pattern... But even so... Re-frame was first and still much better in almost every way
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53. In general, folks thinking about programming languages and computing more broadly, don't know enough history. Folks interested in the topic should read "The Dream Machine" to start and not blindly trust shitposters like me. VN def over-hyped thohttps://twitter.com/Grady_Booch/status/1206311525851357184?s=19 …
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54. One reason to know history is so you can see what elements of your language were put in place to deal with constraints in your environment that no longer exist We don't use punch-cards, we don't need a distinction between expressions and statements http://www.paulgraham.com/diff.html pic.twitter.com/ZrFTndLQfy
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55. Questions are not a sign of ignorance, they are a sign you are paying attention. It's more than OK to ask people to define terms or give a concrete example, and ok to stay in conversations you can barely understand. Applies to conversations in and about all languages.
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55. Meta opinion about my opinions on programming languageshttps://twitter.com/Conaw/status/1206324267513597952?s=19 …
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56. Datomic is far and away the best graph database available today. Has Java and Clojure APIs, non jvm languages can use rest apis. If you're a startup, worth being in Clojure though.
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57. Listen, I'm not saying he didn't have massive contributions, esp on the math side. Just know too many AI bros (who I still love) who've said things like "We just need 50 Von Neumanns to build an AGI god and we're set" No. And he's not all that.https://twitter.com/zhaphod/status/1206327029601165312?s=19 …
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58. The most important idea in Datomic is that there is no reason to overwrite data just because it changes. It is more than a graph database, it is a graph database with a notion of time and history built in. What was Joe's address as of Dec 2017?
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59. The main limitation of the EAV tuples (popular in Semantic Web land) is that you can't easily describe the relationships. You get the FACTS, but it is a bit tricky to add information to those facts like "where did this info come from", or make statements like If A then B
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60. To model human thought in a computable way you need to solve the problem in 59, you move closer to this goal if you give each "fact" or "edge" in the graph a unique identifier. Long history of this in Associative Databases Example in
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My shit posting on Eve has evoked the ire of
@ibdknox, whose work I do greatly respect. So will offer my more nuanced opinions on Eve and programming languages related to tools for thought, esp related to@RoamResearch and see if that gets me the last 40https://twitter.com/ibdknox/status/1206244381252034560?s=19 …Prikaži ovu nit -
61. Designing a programming language - a medium for people to express their thought in a machine computable way is insanely hard. Perhaps even harder to get the time and funding to do that level of deep work. Exponentially harder to do on VC timescales.
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62. The fact that Chris and team were able to get venture funding AT ALL is an insane testament to the them, and quality of prior work /vision. The fact that they got funding from some of the top investors in silicon valley put the project in historic category. Lot 2 liveup 2
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63. Light-table (from Eve team) promised a smalltalk like IDE for devs using clojure or js Easy access to docs, organize workspace by function not file, see values pass through Huge potential for intelligence augmentation! Easy switch for a userbase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58-n7uldoU …pic.twitter.com/Lvta7NqJYD
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64. Alpha sheets (later project, diff team) let you use R & Python code in a collaborative excel like spreadsheet. Was like Light Table but from another direction. Adds programming to Excel, versus adding better reactive env to programming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hddcNvU9UVI …pic.twitter.com/fM5gw4H6ws
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65. Light table had a very Bret Victor type feel make it easier to explore what you could do make it easier to get a handle on what is going on in the program in real time give yourself a bunch of contextual information and focus your attention only on what matters
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66. That project (Light Table) thus offered huge potential for "intelligence augmentation" Allow people to solve problems that they otherwise wouldn't be capable of solving Invent things they otherwise wouldn't have been capable of inventing For beginners or experts alike!
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67. With both AlphaSheets and Light Table, you started with a tool and paradigm people were familiar with, and you added in either more programming power or a more powerful environment. Both gave the users a clear path from where they were to a better world.
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68. Risk with both of those is incrementalism. If you think that both excel and programming lead toward a dead end, perhaps you have to rethink things from first principles and go back to go forward. Seemed like Chris's view https://www.chris-granger.com/2014/03/27/toward-a-better-programming/ … I don't *exactly* agreepic.twitter.com/nM5Pl9e01W
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69. My take is you need co-evolution of tools and culture. Tools shape us, then we shape our tools. I believe in bootstrapping - in the Doug Engelbart sense. Programming languages are as much about the community as about the underlying technology.pic.twitter.com/ahKcJIlvsT
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70. After Eve raised VC, appeared to me to take a hard reset approach to try to make programming level capability available to complete beginners Inventing new UIs, new language, and new database - based on Dedalus Incredible engineering lift that I would def not be capable of
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71. When I say they went off the rails, really means they took a strategy that I didn't agree was a good one / was aesthetically opposed to. But they weren't on my track I was living in India at the time, lurking on their list serv, building prototypes of
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72. The prototypes of Eve I found most compelling where the ones that were more like a semantic Tiddlywiki with a natural language query engine. I liked the ideal of Excel power applied to notes Building full apps/games felt way out of scope to start https://tiddlywiki.com/
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73. To be fair, I think I share a lot of
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74. On this point, there is another caveat I'll add to my OO shitposting in points 3 & 4. I still hate Ruby (my first language) for web-dev, but Modelica is great example of how the principles make a ton of sense for modeling systems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbKb7FNzjI …
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75. Similarly -- I think there are a ton of great ideas in Analytica for building quantitative models of systems Problem there is the tool has like a $1,000 license and only works on Windows. Mostly just used in places like the Defense Department. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytica_(software) …pic.twitter.com/HucifuwQ87
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76. You don't actually know a language until you've built something substantial with it. Substantial is relative to what you've built before. Often in new languages we start by trying to follow paradigm we're used to. Anyone saying I don't know my shit is probably correct.
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77. Disclosures: I've built web apps with users (at least two!) in - Ruby - Javascript - Javascript during a Haskell inspired phase where I did everything with Ramda.js and all my shit was curried and point free - Clojurescript Ramda is super fun imo https://ramdajs.com/
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78. You should not trust my opinion on Python. The only reason I learned it at all was to write a few scripts on an open source Python IDE called Leo, which had cool way of organizing knowledge in a graph, again similar to
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79. I have zero personal experience writing Erlang However, I CAN tell you that - The What's App team built a $1B company with 11 engineers using it. - Joe Armstrong (a co-author) has some really incredible talks. He even mentions Xanadu in this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I_jE0l7sYQ …
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80. The Elm language has had a massive impact on the front-end web There is now so so much information about Redux on the web I can't find it, but original writeup from Dan Abramov on his inspirations for the architecture was a treasure trove, and he credited Elm for main ideas
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