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    1. Ville Kilkku‏ @Old_GuardianHS 29 May 2019

      I have loved Grandmasters interviews, but today I realized just how harmful they can also be. I'm having people tell me that Cyclone Mage has >50% winrate in every matchup, because "@firebat said so in Grandmasters." If there was a deck with all >50%, it would be the only deck.

      7 replies 2 retweets 32 likes
    2. Firebat‏Verified account @firebat 29 May 2019
      Replying to @Old_GuardianHS

      I don't think those were my exact words. I more or less said that during our practice time with a bunch of people we couldn't find decks that really showed much more than 50% winrate vs mage. But, I mean that was only like 2 days of practice. There are things that we missed!

      2 replies 0 retweets 77 likes
    3. Firebat‏Verified account @firebat 29 May 2019
      Replying to @firebat @Old_GuardianHS

      Bomb warrior, murloc shaman, bomb hunter, token druid, OTK paladin. Don't really get much higher than 50% vs mage in my experience if they are on the radar of the mage. But also, preparing for every deck is impossible. However, we missed Rogue, Rogue seems more rough for mage.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Sam  🍋‏ @Lemon_HS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @firebat @Old_GuardianHS

      Did you test Midrange Hunter of the kind @Bunnyhoppor has been rank 1 on both EU and NA with recently? I feel that it's a favourite in the matchup, and with Hunter's Mark from sideboard it becomes even moreso. I was surprised it wasn't more common last week.

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    5. Firebat‏Verified account @firebat 29 May 2019
      Replying to @Lemon_HS @Old_GuardianHS @Bunnyhoppor

      Ya the list we tested was pretty similar. We had 2x Deadly and 2x Wingblast. So probably too much removal to be optimal. It felt okay vs mage. But the mage was winning about as much as it was losing. We had @deathstaV3 playing against @G2Rdu.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Sam  🍋‏ @Lemon_HS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @firebat @Old_GuardianHS and

      Surprising to me but cool to hear, I'll be interested to see if Mage really is uncounterable. Reminds me of Razakus as much as Patron Warrior in terms of being this deck which flits between tiers 1 and 2 in ladder stats but is considered the slam dunk best by pros

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    7. Coldhands‏ @ColdhandsHS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @Lemon_HS @firebat and

      It's not uncounterable just play murloc shaman or a more aggressive hunter build, won't get any better after the buffs either.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Kieran Kane‏ @ToastmonsterHS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @ColdhandsHS @Lemon_HS and

      How much testing have you done on those match ups?

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    9. Coldhands‏ @ColdhandsHS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @ToastmonsterHS @Lemon_HS and

      The data backs it up and that's a lot more useful than any personal testing I could do, judging by VS those matchups haven't become more favourable for the mage over time

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Kieran Kane‏ @ToastmonsterHS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @ColdhandsHS @Lemon_HS and

      Isn't the whole point of this that with optimal play and different builds those decks don't have those match up spreads?

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      Coldhands‏ @ColdhandsHS 29 May 2019
      Replying to @ToastmonsterHS @Lemon_HS and

      That's the idea but we don't have good evidence for it yet, optimal play goes both ways as well since people often don't play around sea giant well.

      7:51 AM - 29 May 2019
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        2. Kieran Kane‏ @ToastmonsterHS 29 May 2019
          Replying to @ColdhandsHS @Lemon_HS and

          So how can you say its really easy to counter with mid hunter and murloc shaman if we are saying the data might not be accurate and you haven't tested it?

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        3. Coldhands‏ @ColdhandsHS 29 May 2019
          Replying to @ToastmonsterHS @Lemon_HS and

          I'm saying the data is accurate, and right now it says mage isn't 50% in gm or ladder. Sure it's a strong deck that's pretty hard to play but I personally don't think optimal play or builds can make it some super deck you can make favoured v everything.

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