I’ve had so many bar debates about this. It’s almost always split 50-50. My take is you can build up more speed on a kickoff before your first engagement so it should be easier to see the field and find a hole. But I really don’t know.
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En réponse à @AlwaysWinning1 @formerlyhere
Oh that’s good point—you only have to guess/see the right thing once, and then if the wheels are there you’re good.
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En réponse à @WillGordonAgain @formerlyhere
But you see the kickers get more involved on kickoffs as a safety valve than you do on punts so you have one man who almost always has a clean chance at you. Kickers get smeared on punt returns a lot. If
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That question’s actually a bit more complicated than what you’ve currently discussed (which has been good stuff). I would say the main odds of a return on either are primarily affected by overall team personnel choices, both on the coverage and return sides.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
For example - a team like the 2007 Raiders, which drafted heavily for speed (because Al Davis), could make full use of Lechler’s 60 yard punts since every failed first round receiver was put in as a gunner to get *some* use out of them. Their guys could cover Hester.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
Compare that to, oh, let’s say the 2007 Vikings, who drafted a run-first offense/stop the run defense (because Adrian Peterson), which means the majority of those backups are linemen, linebackers, and blocking tight ends, and all of a sudden when *those* guys are running down...
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
Well, it doesn’t end great for the non-Devin Hester team.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
As far as taking the kicker into account, a kicker running down in coverage is just as likely to be in position as a punter running down in coverage.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
The key is if they’re close enough to the line of action to force the returner sideways (trailing ~5yards), instead of having to make an open field tackle (10-15 yards). If the returner stays vertical, there’s no chance. If you can force them sideways, someone will catch up.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @AlwaysWinning1 et
Overall, I don’t think you can make a blanket statement that punts are easier to return over kickoffs or vice versa, because so much depends on the team’s personnel goals, as well as how much pride they take in special teams and how willing players are to execute the scheme.
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The 2006-2011 Bears and 2007-2016 Patriots are good examples of teams that prioritized special teams along with O and D. Thus ends my wall of text.
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I’m about to faint. Thank you for the insight. This will just make my bar debates more heated but it’s honestly what I deserve.
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Hah no worries, always happy to talk a completely niche skill I devoted my life to learning
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