who divided Roman history into those eras?
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
I did, based on the historical record. I can link you the wikipedia timeline of major events if you want sources. (I also remember studying that time period in college, but say what you will about wikipedia, it's generally sourced well on widely known subjects)
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
like, okay, but observing that historians divided history into chunks of X years for their convenience does not result in the idea that human history is inherently cyclical
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
It's not a matter of dividing history into chunks, it's a matter of observing repeatable events. "X1 slew Y1 in order to gain Z1. Three hundred years later, X2 slew Y2 in order to gain Z2." The threads aren't the same, but the weave is very familiar.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
how would you know if your observations are merely the result of historians collecting and narrativizing events to create a history that gives you the impression that empire is cyclical? and who told you that empire is the main way of understanding past events?
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
As before, we do the best we can, and I'm open to new evidence. Also, empires tend to exert the most change on their surrounding environment (as relates to the continued survival of the species), and as such, are likely our best understanding of what we have to look forward to.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
History is written by empires to aggrandize themselves. Why would you trust it to tell you the importance of empire? Why would you trust assertions about the importance of human behavior before the invention of the contemporary sociological understanding at all?
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
I mean, sure, we can get into the whole discussion of "what is truth," but I'm comfortable in what I've studied compared to what has been unearthed compared to what other accounts of the time said, and none of it is dependent on a single account.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @a_man_in_black
The overarching theme historically, both by those for empire and hostile to empire, is human beings in large groupings tend to act in certain ways (local tribe first; semi-local next; fuck you I got mine). I haven't seen anything in modern accounts to make me think otherwise.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
is that because it's immutable truth, because of a failing of modern accounts, or a failing of yourself? how would you know?
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I can't give you Plato's light outside the cave, because I don't have the crowbar to open the box I'm in. All I can do is make decisions based on what I've witnessed, and what I've learned from what others have witnessed. I'm always open to new evidence.
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