i would be interested in how you empirically measure the nature of things on this platonic plane
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
The same way that just because the dinosaurs couldn't comprehend trigonometry didn't prevent a meteor from smashing into earth.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft @a_man_in_black
As in the other reply, we do the best with what we have, we constantly question our assumptions, but we cannot ignore the fact that, really, we're not all that. Our planet is currently being rendered uninhabitable, thanks to us. What more do you need?
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
if human nature is unchangeable and the present is the consequence of human nature is the present, why not just lay down and die?
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
Because human nature isn't unchangeable. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that we're working against hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and change has to be a *conscious* choice. To make that choice, you have to understand the necessity of it.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
this doubles as an argument for eugenics. i'm not saying you're making that argument, but you are deep in the scientistic weeds, again mistaking the map for the terrain.
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
Hence my qualifiers in previous posts, I'm well aware of how it can be misconstrued. I would argue that you're engaging in an unfounded optimistic view of humanity, one that proscribes meaning where there is none, and one that ignores the entirety of our recorded history.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
recorded history isn't the writ of god and it's not the platonic ideal plane. it is itself a document flawed in the same ways as the events it relates to us
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
Again, no argument here, but in the absence of anything else, it's all we have to work with, and it is, if nothing else, consistent. The vast majority of the time, the vast majority of humans will act for short term gain. Full stop.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
THAT IS ITSELF AN IDEA THAT IS YOUNGER THAN THE US.
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Again, age is not a defense. Stop suggesting it.
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En réponse à @ChrisWarcraft
You are making ideological assertions about the nature of human behavior that aren't based in empirical study, that we don't even know if they can be based in empirical study
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En réponse à @a_man_in_black
Wooooo boy, we're gonna get into a PhD dissertation here, but oh well.
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