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    Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 10 Nov 2016

    Losing the popular vote but winning the electoral college is legal but not legitimate and this illegitimacy should not be smoothed away.

    4:37 PM - 10 Nov 2016
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      2. FilozofA‏ @FilozofA 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar

        .@ChMadar @nils_gilman If only one could define in any useful way whatever the hell "legitimacy" is supposed to be.

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      3. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @FilozofA @ChMadar

        my lay definition of legitimacy: "When you accept the sovereign's decisions/acts as valid, even if you disagree"

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      4. FilozofA‏ @FilozofA 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @nils_gilman @ChMadar

        A bit too subjective; making one's disagreement with the electoral college a basis to delegitimize a new President.

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      5. Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @FilozofA @nils_gilman

        popular government entails a lot of collective subjectivity.

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      6. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar @FilozofA

        I agree, actually; I meant "you" plural!

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      7. Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @nils_gilman @FilozofA

        Schmitt was right about this: liberals have hard time making pol judgments that are overtly political, not legal.

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      2. Peter J Pierre‏ @PJPsych 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        @ThomasHall17 change the system. That was the system going in to the election

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      3. Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @PJPsych @ThomasHall17

        That is the correct inference.

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      2. TUR-KALED TACOS‏ @RepublicanDalek 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        ANTI-DEMOCRATIC, NOT ILLEGITIMATE. THE CONSTITUTION IS AN ANTI-DEMOCRATIC DOCUMENT!

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      3. Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @RepublicanDalek

        Legitimacy is a value judgment, a political judgment; legality less so.

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      4. TUR-KALED TACOS‏ @RepublicanDalek 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        DEMOCRATS ARE FINE WITH OUR RIGGED GAME WHEN THEY CAN USE IT TO STIFLE THIRD PARTIES, IGNORE BASE. DALEK LEVEL OF SYMPATHY: LOW!

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      2. Fabius Maximus (Ed.)‏ @FabiusMaximus01 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        That's dangerous! Electoral College win is legitimate b/ that is the rule. But anger is appropriate as the fuel to force change.

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      3. Chase Madar‏Verified account @ChaseMadar 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @FabiusMaximus01

        EC victory is legal bc it is the rule but it is not legitimate. Legitimacy a matter of moral/political,not legal, judgment.

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      4. Fabius Maximus (Ed.)‏ @FabiusMaximus01 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        1/ When we consider results from the rules as illegitimate, then the Republic has fallen. I suggest you don't push us there.

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      5. Fabius Maximus (Ed.)‏ @FabiusMaximus01 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @FabiusMaximus01 @ChMadar

        2/ More useful would be to arouse anger at the Electoral College to force reforms. Much c/b done if Americans got off their butts.

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      1. mskathleenquinn‏ @mskathleenquinn 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        Also, it was HRC's campaign that was excessively focused on a "battleground state" strategy and called American citizens deplorable

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      1. mskathleenquinn‏ @mskathleenquinn 11 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        I'm fine with changing the law, but US is a country with rule of law, and I want it respected in times of deep stress.

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      1. the masked snooze‏ @Doc_Sneeze 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        except popular vote is function of electoral college. Impossible to know what turnout in non-swing states would be without it.

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      1. Crispin Sartwell‏ @CrispinSartwell 10 Nov 2016
        Replying to @ChaseMadar @ChMadar

        oh golly. define 'legitimacy.' them's the rules for 250 or whatever.

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