"Defund police" is at its core a pretty basic guns or butter argument
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with overtime and strong unions, these “blue-collar” police make a lot more than their putative social worker replacements would
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They have drunk the kool-aid. Leftist activists of every type will flock to the jobs. When the whole House of Leftist Cards crashes and burns, they will be Fed govt for money. No bailouts. Make city/state local voters responsible & pay for their votes. The only it can be fixed.
End of conversation
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Maybe they could learn to code.
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