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    1. Kate Masters‏ @katemasters67 Feb 10
      Replying to @DrJimboNHS @4AdsthePoet and

      Will your aim be achieved by Dr Bawa-Garba's appeal(s) and potential reinstatement? By a potential retrial (or whatever is planned) - is anyone really sure, without seeing the trial transcript that she was not 'truly exceptionally bad?'

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    2. Kate Masters‏ @katemasters67 Feb 10
      Replying to @katemasters67 @DrJimboNHS and

      Would all the doctors subscribing to the #iamhadiza have made all 21+ mistakes that she did (I haven't seen a list, has anyone?). Is 21+ errors acceptable to other doctors in the light of her working conditions that day? Would they also be acceptable to patients?

      3 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
    3. David Drew‏ @NHSwhistleblowr Feb 10
      Replying to @katemasters67 @DrJimboNHS and

      We don't know what they were. May have been mostly trivial errors obvious only on later scrutiny. Likely to be errors of omission rather than commission in stressed system. You're asking others to speculate Kate.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4.  ✨ ✨Celebrating Adam ✨ ✨‏ @4AdsthePoet Feb 10
      Replying to @NHSwhistleblowr @katemasters67 and

      My impression was that Kate was suggesting others shouldn’t speculate because the information is not known.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Nick Argall‏ @nickargall Feb 10
      Replying to @4AdsthePoet @NHSwhistleblowr and

      Kate’s question “Are 21 errors acceptable?” reads speculative to me. A spelling error is usually trivial, but on a prescribing form it might not be. That line of questioning does need the transcripts available.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. David Drew‏ @NHSwhistleblowr Feb 10
      Replying to @nickargall @4AdsthePoet and

      Hi both. Unless you assume something about the 21 mistakes you can hardly ask a question to the docs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Feb 10
      Replying to @NHSwhistleblowr @nickargall and

      Every doctor who has adopted the 'There but for the grace of God...' line has made assumptions about those 21 mistakes David. Let's not forget that.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
      Replying to @C7RKY @NHSwhistleblowr and

      No. Those are irrelevant to the asymmetry of the conviction given the available positive evidence.

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    9. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Feb 10
      Replying to @DrJimboNHS @NHSwhistleblowr and

      Really? And you know that how?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
      Replying to @C7RKY @NHSwhistleblowr and

      Because of the ridiculous position a trainee was put in in terms of unsafe staffing and the corporate culpability in unsafe drug policy. Irrespective of the number of mistakes Bawa-Garba made, those things represent a huge corporate failure.

      3 replies 2 retweets 1 like
      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Feb 10
      Replying to @DrJimboNHS @NHSwhistleblowr and

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      We are in total agreement on the need for provision of safe services. #SafeStaffing being chief among them. But it's still possible to behave in a grossly negligent manner despite the environment. We need to know more detail, imho.https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/956631900562624513 …

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      John Clarke @C7RKY
      "There were two "systemic" failings not explored at trial" ...but no way of knowing what they specifically were? Hmmm. "Failings of the severity found by the jury here is not diminished by a failure in the safety net.." ...seems to be the means of achieving separation? Curious. pic.twitter.com/EA74NspVIV
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        2. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
          Replying to @C7RKY @NHSwhistleblowr and

          I'm not disputing that. I originally didnt object to the conviction, certainly not to the principle of that potential, but I did object to the asymmetry. However from what I now know about how intention/levels of responsibility are dealt with, I think GNM law needs sign. reform.

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        3. Nick Argall‏ @nickargall Feb 10
          Replying to @DrJimboNHS @C7RKY and

          What is the nature of the reform you want to see?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
          Replying to @nickargall @C7RKY and

          The duty of care is shared not individual. The system should replace the individual in tests 1/2. A fifth test, that the breach is attributable to an/the individual. That what is gross is better defined, contextual definitions, rather than criminality being defined by jurors.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
          Replying to @DrJimboNHS @nickargall and

          Primacy of system analysis in unbiased exploratory independent investigation must be a requisite if there is a vague whiff of a significant system influence as a contextual backdrop.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
          Replying to @DrJimboNHS @nickargall and

          It seems perverse to me that the actual nature of the crime is defined by jurors because they decide what is gross. That is especially perverse if accede to the argument of the inherent complexities of medicine and surrounding systems, which I do.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Nick Argall‏ @nickargall Feb 10
          Replying to @DrJimboNHS @C7RKY and

          Fair. The question of how non-professionals can assess professional negligence is definitely a problem. The inevitable reliance on expert witnesses means that in all but the most clear-cut cases, the most persuasive expert will decide the matter.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Jamie‏ @DrJimboNHS Feb 10
          Replying to @nickargall @C7RKY and

          Yes. And we all know how unfit for purpose medical expert systems have been eg vis a vis shaken baby syndrome. Again exploratory rather than adversarialism is probably better here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        9. Nick Argall‏ @nickargall Feb 10
          Replying to @DrJimboNHS @C7RKY and

          Exploratory is definitely best for fixing systems. But it’s unrealistic to rule out the adversarial option. A tiny number of professionals are genuinely criminal. An option to sanction those people must exist.

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
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