@C7RKY I don't think you were one of the 4 others John (I did look!) and I think you'll find the URL to Grimstone in the thread (not a long ruling to read).https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/956473191605723136 …
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1/2 I think it could be argued that the patient had limited the explanation necessary by stating her objectives - I covered that in my tweets. A bit more annoyingly - judges usually throw in 'would it have altered the outcome' a bit 'too liberally' I sometimes think. He isn't
2/2 supposed to involve his 'personal preference' but he clearly is expected to use his clinical expertise/knowledge in describing the likely clinical consequences of the options he describes (otherwise, why would you be asking?).
Understand the point you make about limiting her choice, but I still think there's plenty of reason to believe she should've been told all available options. If he'd complied with 9k alone, I reckon it would be enough to make most ask about other options. https://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/ethical_guidance/consent_guidance_sharing_info_discussing_treatment_options.asp …pic.twitter.com/t6eFwe6V3e
@louise_austin12 Fundamentally, I'm with you - but did she effectively ask 'what flights could I take to holiday in South America?' instead of asking 'what flights could I take to holiday abroad?'.
I'm sure any half decent defence lawyer would try to make that argument, yes. But a patient may not always appreciate what's important to mention at the time. Knowing all the options & associated risks may in itself broaden their thinking. I'm eyeing your 'Lady Hale' tweet here.
There are quite a lot of half-decent lawyers out there - and, peculiar that lay EoL campaigners are often told by HCPs 'you need to ask a lawyer about that' when both sides of court cases seem to have lawyers!
Ha! Quite.
Then why - and this happens all the time - if you are trying to 'thrash out what the MCA must mean' with a nurse or a doctor, do they often throw that 'you'd need to ask a lawyer' line at you? @DrMarkTaubert @KitzingerCelia
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