easier in outpatient setting or in consent for a procedure or a formal family meeting off the ward. I see 28 patients every ward round& 30-40 every time I am on take & with completely open visiting speak to dozens of family members in real time often by bedside,Logistics tricky
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covert recording is never acceptable, nor is the use of recording where one party can edit it for their own ends without the other having a tape of their own to guard against this
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Legally it is ‘acceptable’ - whether you like it or not. And as things stand staff covertly record SUs as routine. I - nor none of the people I know in MH services - were made aware of what is recorded about us unless we became ‘challenging’ about it.
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That, I find genuinely troubling. It would be bad enough to record someone without consent. But to then attempt to label that person as 'challenging' - with all the inference that brings - when they have every right to be doing so, smacks of a second abuse of power to me.
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Not only challenging John police labelled me noted in my DPA vociferous
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I was told that the push back was so strong because we were factual, reasonable and the trust could not deal with that. Also told that attempts to rile complainants are deliberate so that you can be labelled ‘vexatious’ .. as John’s days that absolves responsibility.
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what a journey of enlightenment the last 7 years has been.
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So true. Life changing, on more levels than I can count. I simply don't see the world through the same pair of eyes any more, such has been the change of perspective.
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There’s a lot of professionals who are ignorant about this. Patients don’t need the consent of staff, nor do they need to be informed of recording.
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You're absolutely right. Many don't appreciate that the physical records legally belong to the SOS for Health, but the data they contain belongs to us. It was that very lack of understanding which prompted MDU to write that clarification piece. (Later hidden behind a paywall).
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@seethrujustice (transparency project) have done some important work on issues of data protection/recording professionals -
They have? Thank you - that's a whole new name to me. I've followed them now. Will try to catch up on their work...
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Their focus is family law, and therefore mainly deal with issues that affect social work rather than healthcare, but there is overlap
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John, sorry, but could you remove me (un-@ me) from this conversation? I've no expertise at all in this area - am just a carer for my mother, and my Twitter mentions are getting overloaded. Thanks! :)
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You will need to mute the conversation. it’s unlikely all 25 people will remove you.
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Thanks! I thought that muting still allowed @'s to get through, and that it just meant that general tweets from a person were muted?? Have never used it, so don't know. :)
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Kate beat me to it. If you don't get this, then it worked. :)
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Thanks! I haven't done it yet. ;) Was leaving it a little while in case Kate replied to my last. I'll do it very soon though (now that I know how to do it!) :)
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