"SCOTTISH mental health patients have been given electric shock treatment without consent more than 900 times over the past nine years, new figures reveal." > This is horrific, imho. https://www.express.co.uk/scotland/881387/NHS-mental-health-patients-electric-shock-treatment-consent/amp?__twitter_impression=true …
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>> "Only 67 per cent of treatments in Scotland last year - 273 out of 408 - were administered with the written consent of the patient, down from 77 per cent in 2008" Errrm... a THIRD of patients treated without consent??
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>> "Two-thirds of patients complained of side effects, including headaches (32 per cent) and memory problems (21 per cent). A smaller number suffered complications such as acute confusion, seizures or manic mood swings"
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Replying to @C7RKY
Ever seen anyone with depression severe enough to need formal admission and detention?
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Replying to @GrumpyOldDoc
No. No I haven't to be fair. Not sure how much it would move my view on forced treatment if I did though? Go on.. tell me your perspective.
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Replying to @C7RKY
It is a horrendous condition often robbing the patient of the ability to function in any meaningful way: Bedbound, often fully immobile Usually refusing to eat/drink/take any medication Non-communicative, so consent impossible Psychotic and unaware of situation they are in
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Replying to @GrumpyOldDoc
I'm just going to go with your word - horrendous. Clearly a situation I'm not familiar with that requires caring and careful intervention. Perhaps it's the jump from that to electric shock treatment I find hard to swallow?
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Replying to @C7RKY
ECT is administered under anaesthesia. To get consent if patient or their family cannot give i, then law requires independent medical opinion, not treating team, to agree to it
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Replying to @GrumpyOldDoc
I do see where you're coming from. Anaesthetising somebody may be the kinder way of forcing treatment, but doesn't in itself convince me though tbh. And finding medical opinion which is truly independent isn't always straightforward.
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Replying to @C7RKY
The anaesthetic is nothing to do with kindness. The treatment induces seizures. Anaesthetic and muscle paralysis is about patient safety.
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I struggle with this, but I don't know enough about it. I'm still uncomfortable with imposed treatment that includes such potentially dangerous side-effects. But the alternative? That's where I run out of knowledge.
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