"SCOTTISH mental health patients have been given electric shock treatment without consent more than 900 times over the past nine years, new figures reveal." > This is horrific, imho. https://www.express.co.uk/scotland/881387/NHS-mental-health-patients-electric-shock-treatment-consent/amp?__twitter_impression=true …
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Ever seen anyone with depression severe enough to need formal admission and detention?
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No. No I haven't to be fair. Not sure how much it would move my view on forced treatment if I did though? Go on.. tell me your perspective.
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It is a horrendous condition often robbing the patient of the ability to function in any meaningful way: Bedbound, often fully immobile Usually refusing to eat/drink/take any medication Non-communicative, so consent impossible Psychotic and unaware of situation they are in
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I'm just going to go with your word - horrendous. Clearly a situation I'm not familiar with that requires caring and careful intervention. Perhaps it's the jump from that to electric shock treatment I find hard to swallow?
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ECT is administered under anaesthesia. To get consent if patient or their family cannot give i, then law requires independent medical opinion, not treating team, to agree to it
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I do see where you're coming from. Anaesthetising somebody may be the kinder way of forcing treatment, but doesn't in itself convince me though tbh. And finding medical opinion which is truly independent isn't always straightforward.
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The anaesthetic is nothing to do with kindness. The treatment induces seizures. Anaesthetic and muscle paralysis is about patient safety.
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I struggle with this, but I don't know enough about it. I'm still uncomfortable with imposed treatment that includes such potentially dangerous side-effects. But the alternative? That's where I run out of knowledge.
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