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John Clarke
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Of course views all mine. All without prejudice. Just a regular chap after all. Oh...and RT's may equally imply ridicule as endorsement.

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    1. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
      Replying to @C7RKY @jsbamrah and

      Cathy Welch Retweeted Cathy Welch

      No, I put it to you that a myth of evil is created to justify blame and extreme punishment for the obvioys cause- easier than facing the uncomfortable truth about a system set to fail.https://twitter.com/cjw450cathy/status/1054466730855153665?s=21 …

      Cathy Welch added,

      Cathy Welch @Cjw450Cathy
      Replying to @KenZeroHarm @AlisonSJones5 and 5 others
      1/4 Stop and think about something close to home, a pot-plant for instance. You know the basic rules- water and feed regularly, place it in light/shade according to instructions. But it starts to wilt...
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 23
      Replying to @Cjw450Cathy @jsbamrah and

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      You put it to me? There's nothing comfortable about either option. And they're not mutually exclusive. The 'system' does need fixing, but mustn't be allowed to become the sole focus of blame just because it conveniently avoids individual accountability.https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/1053582542694244352?s=21 …

      John Clarke added,

      John Clarke @C7RKY
      This is what happens when you allow 'the system' to take the fall. Learn not blame, eh? "Devon & Cornwall Police has pleaded guilty to health & safety breaches following Thomas Orchard's death in custody in 2012" "No individual person is being prosecuted" https://news.sky.com/story/thomas-orchard-devon-and-cornwall-police-admits-failings-after-custody-death-11529590 …
      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    3. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
      Replying to @C7RKY @jsbamrah and

      But in this case have to ask if the outcome would have been different if the training, supervision and support of the individuals involved had been different- very likely would have been very different outcome.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
      Replying to @Cjw450Cathy @C7RKY and

      Therefore, the system’s lack of training and support is the key factor, not the officers as they were just the last point of contact. So, is justice served by convicting individuals at the end of a chain of failings when changes further up would have changed their actions?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 23
      Replying to @Cjw450Cathy @jsbamrah and

      Yes, justice is served. Because a jury of people who exist outside of the medical bubble - just like me - judged her guilty, despite all that was going on around her, of being grossly negligent. 'In all the circumstances'. It bothers me that doctors dismiss that fact so easily.

      2 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
    6. Kirsten Sjovoll‏ @KirstenSjovoll Oct 23
      Replying to @C7RKY

      Every now and again this pops up on my feed - and it's still the same arguments going around in circles. So much speculation. Is BG's criminal conviction going to be referred to CCRP? I can see why sanction disproportionate, I can't see gross miscarriage of criminal justice here.

      4 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    7. jim thornton‏ @jimgthornton Oct 23
      Replying to @KirstenSjovoll @C7RKY

      It was GMOJ cos convicting BG & nurse without ev. of collusion showed statistical ignorance.https://ripe-tomato.org/2018/02/08/dr-bawa-garba-and-nurse-amaro/ …

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 23
      Replying to @jimgthornton @KirstenSjovoll

      It's a GMOJ because the numbers say so? It's an interesting line of argument and a fascinating set of stats, but I'm not sure it trumps a jury hearing the evidenced argument from both sides. Does make me realise how little I know about Nurse Amaro's case though, shamefully.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
      Replying to @C7RKY @jimgthornton @KirstenSjovoll

      In reality, there’s little we can know about either case from where we stand. But remains enough doubt for issue not to shrivel & go away. Rather than villifying medical profession as ‘protectionist’ for rising up to issue, maybe better asking why such dispute about it

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
      Replying to @Cjw450Cathy @C7RKY and

      And not just in a shrugging shoulders, scratching head way, but in an inquisitive, interested way

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 23
      Replying to @Cjw450Cathy @jimgthornton @KirstenSjovoll

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      I only feel the 'protectionist' label applies when those calling for reform seem to struggle to express supporting facts clearly. I'll stand by any efforts to fix the 'system' & even support efforts to hold trust management to account. But I want facts.https://twitter.com/C7RKY/status/1049231911175028736 …

      John Clarke added,

      John Clarke @C7RKY
      Replying to @DrJennyVaughan @margaret_babb and 23 others
      I'm getting more than a little tired of having to fact check all this misleading #BawaGarba spin and misdirection. But when you go this far I feel obliged to respond as a patient, rather than leave your skewed perspective unchallenged. So I'll take each of your points in turn: 1/
      6:37 AM - 23 Oct 2018
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        1. Cathy Welch‏ @Cjw450Cathy Oct 23
          Replying to @C7RKY @jimgthornton @KirstenSjovoll

          I fear, though, that your efforts at ‘fact checking’ sometimes appear as biased as the ‘facts’ you are trying to challenge- partly your own frustration, partly the Twitter-effect?

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