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I agree, but likewise the other way too. There is far more a tradition of individual responsibility over communal or systemic, a direct product of Taylorism and ‘Scientific management’ from the early C20th.http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/Taylorism.html …
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I've not done a thesis on the subject or anything, but I can tell you that after 7yrs of this nonsense & encountering literally hundreds of others in the same boat, individual NHS blame doesn't appear obvious to us. A few replies here anecdotally agree:https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/1052201127574409216?s=21 …
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What I have seen is senior docs throwing junior docs under the bus. Remember one memorable case where consultant blamed it all on his junior and I was stopped from asking more questions about his role and availability.
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That's outrageous. I'm bursting to ask you 'stopped by whom?' but it's unfair to put you on the spot on twitter. Did he escape scrutiny? I realise this is a sad reflection of my sceptical mind, but I suspect that happens when complete cover up (the preferred route) is impossible.
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it was in the context of an inquest. Not an uncommon experience.
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In that context, I can only imagine one person with the ability to stop you. Which given the purpose of proceedings, would be concerning enough in a single example, never mind with any greater frequency.
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But in this case have to ask if the outcome would have been different if the training, supervision and support of the individuals involved had been different- very likely would have been very different outcome.
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Therefore, the system’s lack of training and support is the key factor, not the officers as they were just the last point of contact. So, is justice served by convicting individuals at the end of a chain of failings when changes further up would have changed their actions?
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Yes, justice is served. Because a jury of people who exist outside of the medical bubble - just like me - judged her guilty, despite all that was going on around her, of being grossly negligent. 'In all the circumstances'. It bothers me that doctors dismiss that fact so easily.
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It bothers me that people assume that people always make ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ decisions, that juries always get ALL the relevant evidence, that they fully understand ALL the evidence much of which is placed completely new context that they have never experienced.
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There are many famous miscarriages of justice, and many more less famous. Not from individual or jury errors, but from over reliance on ‘concrete’ evidence or interpretations of evidence....
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#BawaGarba is innocent or guilty, just that there is room for doubt from our perspectives as onlookers with only a fraction of the evidence. And there is no justice served by blind faith in authority or any given system -
Ironically, that's the point I've been making throughout - that the lack of evidence doesn't allow for the certainty of injustice which some claim. Hasn't stopped vocal groups from demanding law change on the back of it though.
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I'm no fan of our CJS, but I believe the courts are the public's only check/balance re doctors that offers a sniff of true independence. I've no personal interest in the GNM charge, I just object to what I see as the open undermining of the courts/jury system - because it suits.
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