For what it's worth, I think @stendec6 is provoking a really important debate here. We need to feel comfortable in our ability to respond to such questions among ourselves, if we are to have any hope of handling the questions HCPs will inevitably pose. A useful 'dress-rehearsal'?
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John, I've been highlighting the importance of a Freestanding Legal Duty of Candour for for all healthcare professionals for 22yrs after my wife & I sacrificed in excess of 300k to expose it. If NHS complainants don't recognise its importance then that is of course up to them!
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Replying to @willcpowell @stendec6 and
You know I already appreciate every point you raise there, Will. Your journey has been as ground-breaking as it's been heart-breaking. God knows we've talked about it enough, you & I. But I also think there's value in understanding what challenges we'll face in gaining acceptance
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I've no problem with the value in understanding & discussing anything to do with the NHS & cover ups John but how any NHS complainant can oppose a Freestanding Legal Duty of Candour for ALL healthcare professionals [Robbie's Law] is beyond me. I've got plenty experience. BW. Will
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I'm v clear on it - I think it should be a criminal offence for a doctor to lie to a patient/relatives. I regard the doctor/patient relationship as a unique one, in which lies translate to abuse. I want
#RobbiesLaw. No question. Hence the need to understand all implications. :)3 replies 12 retweets 12 likes -
A doctor lying about the negligent death of a patient is a criminal offence John as is the falsification of medical records. However, police & CPS rarely implement the law with no redress for the victims as the establishment is protected by the courts. See 1994-97 articles below!pic.twitter.com/oTd1WDNkn7
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John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke
So hang on then... how does that square with this, from a previous tweet of yours? I thought this was what you managed to establish as the legal position previously, but they don't seem to match. What am I missing?https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/937834344336457728?s=21 …
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John Clarke @C7RKYReplying to @willcpowell"..doctors have no duty to give parents of a child who died as a result of their negligence a truthful account of the circumstances of the death, nor even to refrain from deliberately falsifying records." > Sent chills down my spine the first time I read it. Still does!1 reply 5 retweets 4 likes -
There's a distinction between civil & criminal law which I've always made clear as does ECtHR's ruling in Robbie's case. "Whilst it is arguable that doctors had a duty not to falsify medical records under the common law" - CPS agreed 'sufficient evidence' to prosecute the GPs! :(pic.twitter.com/loFQA1ITxt
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The 35 suggested criminal charges in 2002 against the 5 GPs & their secretary has also been made public John: 1. Gross negligence Manslaughter 2. Forgery 3. Perverting the course of justice 4. Conspiracy to pervert justicehttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/prosecute-doctors-over-death-son-7314074 …
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I clearly don't understand this subject as well as I thought I did. 1. Hadn't realised falsifying medical records was a criminal offence if it attempted to pervert justice in a civil case (negligence). VERY interesting. Though we both know proving it is a whole other thing.
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2. Both of those cases appear to rely on the provable fraudulent amendment of med records, but is that what's required for a successful conviction? Is 'a doctor lying about the negligent death of a patient' a criminal offence without such evidence? Is verbal deception sufficient?
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