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Of course views all mine. All without prejudice. Just a regular chap after all. Oh...and RT's may equally imply ridicule as endorsement.

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    1. The Doctors’ Association UK‏ @TheDA_UK Oct 3

      The Doctors’ Association UK Retweeted The Doctors’ Association UK

      Proud to be standing with: @BAPIOUK @IHPA_UK @cgps_gp @DrAlanWoodall @SAforHadiza @Docs4Progress @DrJennyVaughan @JamesGHaddock @GasDocRP @jsbamrah @RameshMehta15 @djnicholl @DrICampbell @DoctorsInUnite @dochalliday @nhscampaigns @aislinnmacklin @DrAdrianHarrop #learnnotblamehttps://twitter.com/TheDA_UK/status/1047622916681224192 …

      The Doctors’ Association UK added,

      The Doctors’ Association UK @TheDA_UK
      Press Release: DAUK co-ordinates 11 medical organisations urging Matt Hancock to halt the GMC’s legal action against doctors https://www.dauk.org/news/daukcoordinateslettertomatthancockgmc …
      2 replies 14 retweets 14 likes
    2. Ken Lownds‏ @KenZeroHarm Oct 4
      Replying to @TheDA_UK @BAPIOUK and

      ZHH This is deeply worrying for all patients! You are looking for “immunity” of some kind? Totally counterproductive. You should be focusing your energies+efforts on proactive #patientsafety Happy to help with that @MattHancock @BillCashMP @JeremyLefroy @SharonHodgsonMP @C7RKY

      2 replies 3 retweets 8 likes
    3. Aislinn M-D‏ @aislinnmacklin Oct 4
      Replying to @KenZeroHarm @TheDA_UK and

      No doctor wants "immunity" from anything We wake up every morning & have sleepless nights because we have dedicated ourselves to patient safety! What we want is a system that is safe The current system is NOT safe for patients And we are forced to take the blame It is not right

      7 replies 10 retweets 29 likes
    4. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
      Replying to @aislinnmacklin @KenZeroHarm and

      Everybody wants a system that's safe. The only debate there is who is preventing progress. But current efforts are very much themed around uniquely securing immunity from GNM prosecution for doctors imho. Something I, as a member of the public, find to be objectionable frankly.

      4 replies 4 retweets 3 likes
    5. JS Bamrah CBE‏ @jsbamrah Oct 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @aislinnmacklin and

      The distinction is doctors who intentionally set out to do harm and those that might do harm in the course of providing care to the best of their ability. The former should rightly be prosecuted. The latter need a more compassionate approach even if there are sanctions.

      3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes
    6. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
      Replying to @jsbamrah @aislinnmacklin and

      Sorry, but that's part of the myth that's built up since the #BawaGarba propaganda machine kicked in (belatedly). GNM doesn't require intent - that would make it murder. Manslaughter charges exist to recognise just such a lack of intent where gross negligence proves to be deadly.

      2 replies 4 retweets 3 likes
    7. Rinesh Parmar‏ @GasDocRP Oct 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @jsbamrah and

      #BawaGarba showed a multitude of systems failures - understaffing of Medical & Nursing staff, no supervision, no induction, a blood reporting system failure there was no accountability or corporate manslaughter charge for the trust. As the NHS squeeze worsens, will this continue?

      6 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
      Replying to @GasDocRP @jsbamrah and

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      I'm familiar with the details, yes. I also know that the jury found #BawaGarba's acts/omissions to be truly, exceptionally bad (& thus grossly negligent) even *in all the circumstances*. Forgive me taking the lazy option, but it's a lot to have to re-type:https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/1029303542685814789?s=21 …

      John Clarke added,

      John Clarke @C7RKY
      Replying to @C7RKY @doctorcaldwell and 4 others
      It's become apparent that several people have had trouble accessing my reply to Gordon's letter, so here's a Dropbox version that may help solve the problem. #JackAdcock #BawaGarba #IsabelAmaro https://www.dropbox.com/s/ca70n2do7e4eyz3/Dear%20Gordon%20Letter.pdf?dl=0 …
      1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
    9. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @GasDocRP and

      Many court findings have subsequently been found to be inappropriate. Her care was not as found "truly exceptionally bad" but an unsurprising result of such a flawed and unsafe system. Had she pointed that out she would have been persecuted like Dr Day and other whistleblowers.

      2 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
    10. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
      Replying to @margaret_babb @C7RKY and

      She would have needed time and courage to whistleblow during in her double shift whilst doing the work of several people at once, you are unreasonably expecting her and others to be superhuman and in so doing making more tragedies more likely

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
      Replying to @margaret_babb @GasDocRP and

      #BawaGarba is a convicted criminal who has been refused leave to appeal - twice - by the same judge who overturned David Sellu's conviction and raised the legal bar to 'truly exceptionally bad' for future cases. So yes, her care was exactly as found, despite your assertion. >>

      5:23 AM - 4 Oct 2018
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        2. James Haddock‏ @JamesGHaddock Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @margaret_babb and

          Actually her criminal conviction is entirely spent...she is not a criminal. Keep your bile to yourself.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @JamesGHaddock @margaret_babb and

          Bile? Get a grip, James. It's not bile to point out facts from fiction. Fiction such as your erroneous claim that her conviction is spent. Is it really? Conviction date: Dec 2015 +sentence: 24 months +period until spent: 4 years = Dec 2021 So not spent, apparently? Bile, my arse!pic.twitter.com/MyOe3x27oX

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        4. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JamesGHaddock and

          And that assumes her conviction will ever become spent at all. I'm not familiar with this aspect so I don't know if it applies in this case, but the information here details manslaughter as one of the convictions that never becomes spent.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-list-of-offences-that-will-never-be-filtered-from-a-criminal-record-check …

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        5. Alan Woodall #FBPE #Peoplesvote‏ @DrAlanWoodall Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JamesGHaddock and

          John, what is your occupation/background and interest in medical profession? Your tweets I notice many involve upset with medicine and complaints system, a mention of son with autism and yesterday annoyance about a document briefing people how to deal with vaccine deniers? DOI?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @DrAlanWoodall @JamesGHaddock and

          John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

          My background doesn't really matter, Alan, (though I don't hide it). My only interest is in keeping the medical word honest. I was once its biggest fan from afar, but then I had cause to look more deeply. What I found gave me cause to continue looking.https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/601118759995187201?s=21 …

          John Clarke added,

          John Clarke @C7RKY
          If you follow me please RT this https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/600735704101031936 … It doesn't just matter to me, it matters to us all. It's the reason I'm here. Thanks
          2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
        7. Alan Woodall #FBPE #Peoplesvote‏ @DrAlanWoodall Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JamesGHaddock and

          Sorry, I think it does. To understand your motives I need to understand your background, and your aims. I don’t want to jump to assumptions so I’d really appreciate if you are someone who has a problem with doctors in past, perhaps with autism/vaccine links? Im not hiding my DOI.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @DrAlanWoodall @JamesGHaddock and

          If you read @ShaunLintern's piece, I think it more than adequately explains my motivation. Feel free to debate me on any of the points that I've raised - I'm open to changing my mind if convinced. But I'm not open to having you play the man not the ball. I'm hiding nothing.

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        9. Alan Woodall #FBPE #Peoplesvote‏ @DrAlanWoodall Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JamesGHaddock and

          Sorry, John, no. I strongly suspect you have more than an axe to grind against the medical profession for a perceived wrong, (which may be justified) and your views are not wholly objective as a result. I’d be grateful if you would answer my question on your autism/vaccine view.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @GasDocRP and

          I don't have blind confidence in the judiciary. Has he experience of working in the front line of a dangerous industry? Life/death decisions have to be made instantly which compete with multiple complex decisions- no way to know which is most urgent, important or dangerous.

          2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
        3. Robert Wade‏ @rwade300 Oct 6
          Replying to @margaret_babb @C7RKY and

          I don't think #bawagarba involves life and death decisions needing to be made instantly. Happy to argue that on the facts. After 5y paediatrics training Dr BG would have no knowledge of what is most important? With 2 paediatricians and a paediatric ICU available?

          2 replies 2 retweets 0 likes
        4. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 6
          Replying to @rwade300 @C7RKY and

          Fact is vast majority of paediatricians & crit care specialties get how excessively difficult her job was made. Would be difficult to appreciate unless you know what its like. Surprising that those who cannot or will not understand think they know better than so many who do know

          2 replies 4 retweets 4 likes
        5. jenny vaughan‏ @DrJennyVaughan Oct 7
          Replying to @margaret_babb @rwade300 and

          Judge nichol accepted that all the systemic failures could not be explored at trial. Dr Bawa Garba is no criminal. We won #Sellu but my view is losing an appeal does not confirm guilt. The criminal court is not right place to determine blame in complex healthcare related deaths.

          5 replies 4 retweets 7 likes
        6. jenny vaughan‏ @DrJennyVaughan Oct 7
          Replying to @DrJennyVaughan @margaret_babb and

          No am not making a special case. I spent four years looking at the darkness surrounding what happened in Sellu both before, during and after the trial. He was solely blamed for a raft of systemic failure. Could happen again at anytime. The system needs to change. #Learnnotblame

          2 replies 4 retweets 9 likes
        7. jenny vaughan‏ @DrJennyVaughan Oct 7
          Replying to @DrJennyVaughan @margaret_babb and

          I support proactive #patientsafety but not the system making scapegoats.

          3 replies 3 retweets 8 likes
        8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 8
          Replying to @DrJennyVaughan @margaret_babb and

          I'm getting more than a little tired of having to fact check all this misleading #BawaGarba spin and misdirection. But when you go this far I feel obliged to respond as a patient, rather than leave your skewed perspective unchallenged. So I'll take each of your points in turn: 1/

          3 replies 3 retweets 5 likes
        9. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 8
          Replying to @C7RKY @DrJennyVaughan and

          Point 1: "Judge Nichol accepted that all the systemic failures could not be explored at trial" This is misleading. What Nichol J *actually* said re systemic failures was: "There was a limit to how far these issues could be explored at trial." That does NOT mean the same thing. 2/pic.twitter.com/lLJiwfp88X

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
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        2. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @margaret_babb and

          >> And as for your bizarre claim that I unreasonably expected her to blow the whistle and am somehow 'making more tragedies more likely' as a result, can you point to where I've suggested that? (Spoiler alert - I haven't) Did you read my letter above?

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        3. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @GasDocRP and

          No I didn't say you expected her to blow the whistle. I pointed out that her options were to stay and do the work or blow the whistle accepting the consequences. Another option would be to go off sick. These real, stark and impossible choices face frontline NHS staff daily

          2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        4. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
          Replying to @margaret_babb @C7RKY and

          Your unreasonable expectation I was talking about is that of expecting her and others to be superhuman and not making mistakes in these circumstances. To err is human

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Alan Woodall #FBPE #Peoplesvote‏ @DrAlanWoodall Oct 4
          Replying to @margaret_babb @C7RKY and

          Have to admit I increasingly feel to some MOTP I am to be kept in a box with no life, available 24/7, to perform robotically but humanely, never err and achieve 100% perfection . It's not possible. Stretch elastic bands too far = snap. So do we. Morale sapping comments today.

          2 replies 2 retweets 2 likes
        6. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @DrAlanWoodall @margaret_babb and

          Why do you feel that way? Nothing you've described there would be in keeping with what I'd want for you. I don't expect perfection from anybody in any walk of life - that would be unreasonable. But GNM is not about merely deviating from perfection, even negligently under pressure

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        7. Maggie Babb‏ @margaret_babb Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @DrAlanWoodall and

          I have read your letter. It looks well-reasoned apart from your clear but imho misplaced confidence in the judicial process. I know how far beyond reasonable frontline staff are expected to perform. She had a ridiculously impossible work environment that day & was set up to fail

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @margaret_babb @DrAlanWoodall and

          Whilst I take your point, (I'm no fan of our so-called justice system either), I'm left with a choice of which opinion to find most credible: The police, CPS, coroner, courts & jury - all of whom had access to full evidence - or doctors, who don't have access to full evidence. >>

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        9. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Oct 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @margaret_babb and

          In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I have to believe that such a large, disparate group had no reason to scapegoat anyone. And I'd absolutely expect them to take account of the full circumstances. Something must have compelled them to convict her. But what? We don't know

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
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