Proud to be standing with: @BAPIOUK @IHPA_UK @cgps_gp @DrAlanWoodall @SAforHadiza @Docs4Progress @DrJennyVaughan @JamesGHaddock @GasDocRP @jsbamrah @RameshMehta15 @djnicholl @DrICampbell @DoctorsInUnite @dochalliday @nhscampaigns @aislinnmacklin @DrAdrianHarrop #learnnotblamehttps://twitter.com/TheDA_UK/status/1047622916681224192 …
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Actually her criminal conviction is entirely spent...she is not a criminal. Keep your bile to yourself.
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Bile? Get a grip, James. It's not bile to point out facts from fiction. Fiction such as your erroneous claim that her conviction is spent. Is it really? Conviction date: Dec 2015 +sentence: 24 months +period until spent: 4 years = Dec 2021 So not spent, apparently? Bile, my arse!pic.twitter.com/MyOe3x27oX
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And that assumes her conviction will ever become spent at all. I'm not familiar with this aspect so I don't know if it applies in this case, but the information here details manslaughter as one of the convictions that never becomes spent.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-list-of-offences-that-will-never-be-filtered-from-a-criminal-record-check …
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John, what is your occupation/background and interest in medical profession? Your tweets I notice many involve upset with medicine and complaints system, a mention of son with autism and yesterday annoyance about a document briefing people how to deal with vaccine deniers? DOI?
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My background doesn't really matter, Alan, (though I don't hide it). My only interest is in keeping the medical word honest. I was once its biggest fan from afar, but then I had cause to look more deeply. What I found gave me cause to continue looking.https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/601118759995187201?s=21 …
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Sorry, I think it does. To understand your motives I need to understand your background, and your aims. I don’t want to jump to assumptions so I’d really appreciate if you are someone who has a problem with doctors in past, perhaps with autism/vaccine links? Im not hiding my DOI.
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If you read
@ShaunLintern's piece, I think it more than adequately explains my motivation. Feel free to debate me on any of the points that I've raised - I'm open to changing my mind if convinced. But I'm not open to having you play the man not the ball. I'm hiding nothing. -
Sorry, John, no. I strongly suspect you have more than an axe to grind against the medical profession for a perceived wrong, (which may be justified) and your views are not wholly objective as a result. I’d be grateful if you would answer my question on your autism/vaccine view.
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I don't have blind confidence in the judiciary. Has he experience of working in the front line of a dangerous industry? Life/death decisions have to be made instantly which compete with multiple complex decisions- no way to know which is most urgent, important or dangerous.
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Fact is vast majority of paediatricians & crit care specialties get how excessively difficult her job was made. Would be difficult to appreciate unless you know what its like. Surprising that those who cannot or will not understand think they know better than so many who do know
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Judge nichol accepted that all the systemic failures could not be explored at trial. Dr Bawa Garba is no criminal. We won
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No am not making a special case. I spent four years looking at the darkness surrounding what happened in Sellu both before, during and after the trial. He was solely blamed for a raft of systemic failure. Could happen again at anytime. The system needs to change.
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I'm getting more than a little tired of having to fact check all this misleading
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Point 1: "Judge Nichol accepted that all the systemic failures could not be explored at trial" This is misleading. What Nichol J *actually* said re systemic failures was: "There was a limit to how far these issues could be explored at trial." That does NOT mean the same thing. 2/pic.twitter.com/lLJiwfp88X
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>> And as for your bizarre claim that I unreasonably expected her to blow the whistle and am somehow 'making more tragedies more likely' as a result, can you point to where I've suggested that? (Spoiler alert - I haven't) Did you read my letter above?
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No I didn't say you expected her to blow the whistle. I pointed out that her options were to stay and do the work or blow the whistle accepting the consequences. Another option would be to go off sick. These real, stark and impossible choices face frontline NHS staff daily
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Your unreasonable expectation I was talking about is that of expecting her and others to be superhuman and not making mistakes in these circumstances. To err is human
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Have to admit I increasingly feel to some MOTP I am to be kept in a box with no life, available 24/7, to perform robotically but humanely, never err and achieve 100% perfection . It's not possible. Stretch elastic bands too far = snap. So do we. Morale sapping comments today.
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Why do you feel that way? Nothing you've described there would be in keeping with what I'd want for you. I don't expect perfection from anybody in any walk of life - that would be unreasonable. But GNM is not about merely deviating from perfection, even negligently under pressure
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I have read your letter. It looks well-reasoned apart from your clear but imho misplaced confidence in the judicial process. I know how far beyond reasonable frontline staff are expected to perform. She had a ridiculously impossible work environment that day & was set up to fail
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Whilst I take your point, (I'm no fan of our so-called justice system either), I'm left with a choice of which opinion to find most credible: The police, CPS, coroner, courts & jury - all of whom had access to full evidence - or doctors, who don't have access to full evidence. >>
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In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I have to believe that such a large, disparate group had no reason to scapegoat anyone. And I'd absolutely expect them to take account of the full circumstances. Something must have compelled them to convict her. But what? We don't know
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