That a DNACPR made in a GP's surgery won't be available to EM medics
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Replying to @Jennife10651535 @doctorcaldwell and
Yes that’s a major problem. The patient has to own this process, making sure that it’s available to anyone who may need it. Most common place for them to look is the fridge.
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Replying to @katemasters67 @doctorcaldwell and
Still needs modification if collapse is outside the home
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Replying to @Jennife10651535 @doctorcaldwell and
Gordon’s been suggesting a medic alert style bracelet for a while.. it is very wrong that the concentration is on saving life re CPR, not protecting people who should not receive it. Even kids are being taught CPR (but not when not to use it)
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Replying to @katemasters67 @Jennife10651535 and
How long before somebody takes a paramedic (or even a schoolchild now) to court for assault? Is there not an argument that once formally refused, CPR should be treated like any other unconsented medical procedure? It's at least a variation on a theme.
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Replying to @C7RKY @katemasters67 and
Legally, it's battery (E&W) to administer any treatment that a person has refused when competent, including failure to respect an ADRT. Of course, this assumes there's a way to ensure ADRT is known about to be respected.
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Replying to @drkathrynmannix @C7RKY and
You're right - but there is a real practical problem in making sure the right people know about the DNACPR order or ADRT, particularly in an emergency. Not having systems in place to facilitate sharing of and access to these documents might be unlawful itself.
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Replying to @TorButlerCole @drkathrynmannix and
Interesting. Is that to suggest that having such a system in place could be considered necessary in order to comply with a duty of care?
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Replying to @C7RKY @drkathrynmannix and
I was thinking of positive obligations under the Human Rights Act to ensure people's wishes about end of life care are respected
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Replying to @TorButlerCole @C7RKY and
But there might also be other ways of arguing it....
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Thank you...
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Replying to @C7RKY @TorButlerCole and
Fascinating! And potentially highly motivating...
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