Please dont use grenfell as a example, theres a resident who had a blog exposing the bad work on a blog, no one listened and he didnt use it for any reward, he done to protect the residents first.
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Replying to @ZedTrafficker @JadeTaylor8 and
It’s a tragic but perfect example. The resident isn’t a whistleblower. They’re a complainant. It shouldn’t make a difference but it makes a big difference. Did any employee of building firms involved speak up? That’s a whistleblower. No, they didn’t. That’s the problem
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
I disagree. A WB need not be employed by the failing firm to be a WB. Yours is a very narrow definition of what a WB is. That blogger blew the whistle on the problem. He is a WB.
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Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and
He’s not Steve. Not in the eyes of the law. That would make every journalist that broke a story a whistleblower. They’re not. This is part of the problem.
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
That’s just employment law. A narrow part of the law. I know about PIDA. To limit the definition of what a WB is based on that is not helping society.
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Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and
I know. But when you got to an ET that’s all the law that you have in your side. Trust me, I found out the hard way. Had confirmations from Lloyds, FCA and even PCAW that I was a whistleblower. Not according to ET case law that is entirely opposite to whistleblower policies
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
If you agree with me, don’t accept that narrow definition as you just did by claiming that Grenfell blogger wasn’t a WB.
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Replying to @sjparis @Carlier_J87 and
He is 110% whistleblower.... If you document the evidence, you are a whistleblower and should be heard as a whistleblower.
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Replying to @ZedTrafficker @sjparis and
I've been reluctant to dip into this thread - just watching it go by has been educational. But I have to ask where the desire to be classed as a WBer comes from? Am I missing a trick? Protected disclosures for employees I get. But what do you get if you're not an employee?
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Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and
You can follow Policy & PIDA and blow the whistle making protected disclosures, BUT unless the ET/Courts confirm that you are a whistleblower and did make protected disclosures, you have none of the protection afforded by PIDA......
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Ok. Forgive my ignorance... but has a non-employee ever been granted PIDA protection by having some kind of protected disclosure recognised? (Appreciating that PIDA protections don't exactly appear to be universally celebrated anyway).
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Replying to @C7RKY @Carlier_J87 and
The word iatrogenic is key here! But the way forward for whistleblowers & complainants is not PIDA, its always been personal injury (unions wont tell you). We are still being damaged by a sytem, that effects us post WBing & this judgement applies to us all http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKHL/2008/13.html …
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