Please dont use grenfell as a example, theres a resident who had a blog exposing the bad work on a blog, no one listened and he didnt use it for any reward, he done to protect the residents first.
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Replying to @ZedTrafficker @JadeTaylor8 and
It’s a tragic but perfect example. The resident isn’t a whistleblower. They’re a complainant. It shouldn’t make a difference but it makes a big difference. Did any employee of building firms involved speak up? That’s a whistleblower. No, they didn’t. That’s the problem
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
I disagree. A WB need not be employed by the failing firm to be a WB. Yours is a very narrow definition of what a WB is. That blogger blew the whistle on the problem. He is a WB.
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Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and
He’s not Steve. Not in the eyes of the law. That would make every journalist that broke a story a whistleblower. They’re not. This is part of the problem.
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
That’s just employment law. A narrow part of the law. I know about PIDA. To limit the definition of what a WB is based on that is not helping society.
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Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and
I know. But when you got to an ET that’s all the law that you have in your side. Trust me, I found out the hard way. Had confirmations from Lloyds, FCA and even PCAW that I was a whistleblower. Not according to ET case law that is entirely opposite to whistleblower policies
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Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and
If you agree with me, don’t accept that narrow definition as you just did by claiming that Grenfell blogger wasn’t a WB.
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Replying to @sjparis @Carlier_J87 and
He is 110% whistleblower.... If you document the evidence, you are a whistleblower and should be heard as a whistleblower.
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Replying to @ZedTrafficker @sjparis and
I've been reluctant to dip into this thread - just watching it go by has been educational. But I have to ask where the desire to be classed as a WBer comes from? Am I missing a trick? Protected disclosures for employees I get. But what do you get if you're not an employee?
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Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and
You get absolutely nothing but if you whistleblow against something, lose everything because of it, it kinda sticks in your craw when someone pops up and says “you’re not really a whistleblower”.
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Does it? I don't think anybody's ever referred to me as a WBer & I know I haven't. Is there something you feel you missed out on in terms of protections by being denied the recognition of WB status? What would've been different?
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Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and
None whatsoever. It’s just when you get the clique saying “I’m a WB but you’re not”, that a balkanisation of WBs is being set up.
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Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and
Oh, ok. Personally I think it can be an even harder journey as a complainant. We're still trying to fell the same beast, but without the benefit of insider knowledge with which to do it. If we expose truth from outside the walls, it's at least equally credit-worthy, imho.
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