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    1. Jade Taylor‏ @JadeTaylor8 Sep 1
      Replying to @GregHartBrew @Carlier_J87 and

      Not when some try to push forward proposals, which if had been in place years ago, would have resulted in making money out of my dead family? Now I am reading about allegations of someone lying about setting up WBUK ?#Trustgone Minimalising these issues is not on.

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    2. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
      Replying to @JadeTaylor8 @GregHartBrew and

      I’m sure the victims and families of the Grenfell Tower fire would also not have cared if a bounty had been motivation for someone speaking up about the renovation flaws, and it had prevented the disaster. I’m against a bounty system but better than what we currently have

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    3. ZED  🤐‏ @ZedTrafficker Sep 1
      Replying to @Carlier_J87 @JadeTaylor8 and

      Please dont use grenfell as a example, theres a resident who had a blog exposing the bad work on a blog, no one listened and he didnt use it for any reward, he done to protect the residents first.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
      Replying to @ZedTrafficker @JadeTaylor8 and

      It’s a tragic but perfect example. The resident isn’t a whistleblower. They’re a complainant. It shouldn’t make a difference but it makes a big difference. Did any employee of building firms involved speak up? That’s a whistleblower. No, they didn’t. That’s the problem

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    5.  🇪🇺 Steve Paris  🧷 🧬 🔬  🎬 📱 🖖‏ @sjparis Sep 1
      Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and

      I disagree. A WB need not be employed by the failing firm to be a WB. Yours is a very narrow definition of what a WB is. That blogger blew the whistle on the problem. He is a WB.

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    6. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
      Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and

      He’s not Steve. Not in the eyes of the law. That would make every journalist that broke a story a whistleblower. They’re not. This is part of the problem.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7.  🇪🇺 Steve Paris  🧷 🧬 🔬  🎬 📱 🖖‏ @sjparis Sep 1
      Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and

      That’s just employment law. A narrow part of the law. I know about PIDA. To limit the definition of what a WB is based on that is not helping society.

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    8. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
      Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and

      I know. But when you got to an ET that’s all the law that you have in your side. Trust me, I found out the hard way. Had confirmations from Lloyds, FCA and even PCAW that I was a whistleblower. Not according to ET case law that is entirely opposite to whistleblower policies

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    9.  🇪🇺 Steve Paris  🧷 🧬 🔬  🎬 📱 🖖‏ @sjparis Sep 1
      Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and

      If you agree with me, don’t accept that narrow definition as you just did by claiming that Grenfell blogger wasn’t a WB.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    10. ZED  🤐‏ @ZedTrafficker Sep 1
      Replying to @sjparis @Carlier_J87 and

      He is 110% whistleblower.... If you document the evidence, you are a whistleblower and should be heard as a whistleblower.

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      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
      Replying to @ZedTrafficker @sjparis and

      I've been reluctant to dip into this thread - just watching it go by has been educational. But I have to ask where the desire to be classed as a WBer comes from? Am I missing a trick? Protected disclosures for employees I get. But what do you get if you're not an employee?

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        2.  🇪🇺 Steve Paris  🧷 🧬 🔬  🎬 📱 🖖‏ @sjparis Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          You get absolutely nothing but if you whistleblow against something, lose everything because of it, it kinda sticks in your craw when someone pops up and says “you’re not really a whistleblower”.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
          Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and

          Does it? I don't think anybody's ever referred to me as a WBer & I know I haven't. Is there something you feel you missed out on in terms of protections by being denied the recognition of WB status? What would've been different?

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        4.  🇪🇺 Steve Paris  🧷 🧬 🔬  🎬 📱 🖖‏ @sjparis Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          None whatsoever. It’s just when you get the clique saying “I’m a WB but you’re not”, that a balkanisation of WBs is being set up.

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        5. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
          Replying to @sjparis @ZedTrafficker and

          Oh, ok. Personally I think it can be an even harder journey as a complainant. We're still trying to fell the same beast, but without the benefit of insider knowledge with which to do it. If we expose truth from outside the walls, it's at least equally credit-worthy, imho.

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        2. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          You can follow Policy & PIDA and blow the whistle making protected disclosures, BUT unless the ET/Courts confirm that you are a whistleblower and did make protected disclosures, you have none of the protection afforded by PIDA......

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
          Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and

          Ok. Forgive my ignorance... but has a non-employee ever been granted PIDA protection by having some kind of protected disclosure recognised? (Appreciating that PIDA protections don't exactly appear to be universally celebrated anyway).

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        4. ZED  🤐‏ @ZedTrafficker Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @Carlier_J87 and

          The word iatrogenic is key here! But the way forward for whistleblowers & complainants is not PIDA, its always been personal injury (unions wont tell you). We are still being damaged by a sytem, that effects us post WBing & this judgement applies to us all http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKHL/2008/13.html …

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        2. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          When I challenged @WhistleUK (PCAW) that their whistleblower policy that LBG used didn’t reflect case law, guaranteeing employer win at any ET, they said “well, we didn’t want to make it too legalistic”. Touché & why only 4% of WB’s successful at ET

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        3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
          Replying to @Carlier_J87 @ZedTrafficker and

          Spent some years with LBG myself. To be clear, I understand the importance of acquiring that status for employees (and therefore why it matters so much when co.s have an open goal at ET). I'm less clear about how non-employees like me would fit into the whistleblowing definition.

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        2. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          I exposed the fact that our NHS consenting process is open to abuse & eventually forced CQC/NHSE/GMC to acknowledge it. Does that make me a WBer? I've never thought of myself in that way - just as a complainant with a moral obligation to protect others. Am I missing something?

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        3. ZED  🤐‏ @ZedTrafficker Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @sjparis and

          You are absolutely right, I've always advocated a unity essentially we the same thing. To me a complainant os some1 who moans that his soup is too cold. But if like yourself & many others, you document the errors and present it to right authority, then yes you are whistleblower

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        1. Jade Taylor‏ @JadeTaylor8 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          The word "whistleblower" is it seems an International media word. The word whistleblower is not found in UK Employment legislation. The discussions were around The Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 (PIDA), which relates to employment law only as per the statute books.

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        2. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          Even though I had made my disclosures precisely as trained and as per the LBG whistleblower policy. Judge accepted case law and denied me WB status. PCAW & FCA aware of my judgement and what it exposes. They’ve done nothing.

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        3. Gregory Hartley-Brewer‏ @GregHartBrew Sep 1
          Replying to @Carlier_J87 @C7RKY and

          Now blocked by @ianlex2 also who I wasn't even following. Why are you blocking instead of talking? If you're so sure of your arguments why block? Let's talk not block!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Marion Steggles‏ @marionste Sep 1
          Replying to @GregHartBrew @Carlier_J87 and

          Just clicked on the Twitter handle and found I am blocked as well, absolutely no reason for it. Lol

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        1. Gregory Hartley-Brewer‏ @GregHartBrew Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          The same John - NOTHING!!!

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        1. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          This denied me whistleblower status & appropriate compensation. The case law actually opposes PIDA & the PCAW model whistleblower policy. LBG essentially argued that their own WB policy was a fraud because I hadn’t made disclosures in correct way according to case law......

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        1. Paul Carlier‏ @Carlier_J87 Sep 1
          Replying to @C7RKY @ZedTrafficker and

          I followed LBG whistleblower policy to the letter. A policy that told employees we had protection & told us how to blow the whistle to ensure that protection. I also had confos from LBG, FCA & PCAW confirming I was a whistleblower. HOWEVER, I wasn’t according to ET case law......

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