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    1. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
      Replying to @DrUmeshPrabhu @Janine00050361 and

      I've seen nothing to suggest BG spent a single night in prison. Have you? But it's not wrong to send grossly negligent people whose actions kill another to prison. No matter who they are. Doing so does not prelude us from improving the systems too. Mutually exclusive goals for me

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Dr Umesh Prabhu‏ @DrUmeshPrabhu Aug 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @Janine00050361 and

      Suspended prison sentence is enough for a good doctors life to be ruined and injustice to thrive and junior doctors to be frightened and scared and system leaders to escape.

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Gretchen Alexander, MD‏ @galexandermd Aug 4
      Replying to @DrUmeshPrabhu @C7RKY and

      From the U.S. perspective, it is shocking to see a system where overwhelmed physicians and nurses with honorable intentions who have made an honest mistake are held criminally liable and incarcerated. It really makes one wonder why anyone in the U.K. goes into medical work. 1/2

      2 replies 6 retweets 7 likes
    4. Robert Wade‏ @rwade300 Aug 4
      Replying to @galexandermd @DrUmeshPrabhu and

      Patients don't seek doctors for the doctors' honorable intentions or honesty. That's assumed.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Gretchen Alexander, MD‏ @galexandermd Aug 4
      Replying to @rwade300 @DrUmeshPrabhu and

      We are not discussing why people seek doctors, we are discussing the meaning of criminal negligence and why a physician was convicted of a crime. Seems the jails would be very full if anyone who made a mistake at work could be imprisoned. Criminality assumes malicious intent.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Dr Gordon Caldwell‏ @doctorcaldwell Aug 7
      Replying to @galexandermd @rwade300 and

      In English Law (not in wise sensible Scotland) gross negligence manslaughter does not require intent to harm. So any iatrogenic harm can become a crime.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 8
      Replying to @doctorcaldwell @galexandermd and

      I still don't understand this, tbh. I thought the whole point of any manslaughter charge was to recognise the crime of causing another's death without intent. If there's intent then it's plain murder, surely?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 8
      Replying to @C7RKY @doctorcaldwell and

      There was no intent to kill. There’s an argument that there was no malintent at all - no intention to harm and only to help. 2 diagnoses with appropriate action plans don’t seem like wilful recklessness or gross carelessness either

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 8
      Replying to @JFr4ser @doctorcaldwell and

      I think intent is a red herring here tbh,(given the case is South of the border). And I'd include anything described as wilful in that. Gross carelessness seems closer to the legal descriptions I'm seeing though. Indifference to a risk & inattention seem to be the key phrases.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 8
      Replying to @C7RKY @doctorcaldwell and

      I think intent is a clear distinction. Consider the single punch death. That would be a culp hom because while not intended the accused actions were still criminally reckless. There is very very rarely criminal recklessness in healthcare deaths

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 8
      Replying to @JFr4ser @doctorcaldwell and

      There's very rarely criminal anything in healthcare deaths to be fair. And whilst I agree intent is a distinction, I think it distinguishes between murder and manslaughter, rather than between manslaughter or not.

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