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Of course views all mine. All without prejudice. Just a regular chap after all. Oh...and RT's may equally imply ridicule as endorsement.

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    1. Dr Gordon Caldwell‏ @doctorcaldwell Aug 3
      Replying to @lynn_laidlaw @TYoungstein and

      The lessons always seem to be Be more vigilant Work harder Fill in more forms Read the policy Do mandatory training And not changes in Structure & Process to make it easier to do the correct and harder to do the incorrect things @SafetyCarm @JanMDavies

      2 replies 7 retweets 21 likes
    2. Dr Gordon Caldwell‏ @doctorcaldwell Aug 3
      Replying to @doctorcaldwell @lynn_laidlaw and

      A dangerous stretch of road needs to be redesigned and rebuilt to become safer but The NHS answer would be to add more warning signs, demand higher speeds, better fuel consumption and fewer accidents but be surprised when it got more accidents and harm. @DrUmeshPrabhu @TheIHI

      1 reply 4 retweets 15 likes
    3. Dr Gordon Caldwell‏ @doctorcaldwell Aug 3
      Replying to @doctorcaldwell @lynn_laidlaw and

      When the M25 becomes overcrowded dangerous and queues build up Flow and Safety are improved by making traffic slow down. When hospitals are overcrowded dangerous full of queues and understaffed we are ordered to speed up. Result? #BawaGarba #IsabelAmaro @djnicholl @DrGrumble

      4 replies 16 retweets 26 likes
    4. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
      Replying to @doctorcaldwell @lynn_laidlaw and

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      Sure we've done this analogy before Gordon? If someone weaves through traffic at 200mph (reckless) & causes an inevitable fatal pile up, they're culpable despite any 'system' flaws around them. Ever wonder what our analogies sound like? Harsh but true ;-)https://twitter.com/C7RKY/status/1023952713539891202 …

      John Clarke added,

      John Clarke @C7RKY
      Replying to @marionste @joannefishwick1 and 46 others
      You can walk right over the top of a drain cover every day and not suspect anything untoward exists underneath. But when somebody lifts the lid and shoves your head in there one day, you never get the smell of sh*t out of your nostrils ever again. Such is the NHS experience.
      3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    5. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @doctorcaldwell and

      That has intent. Something required in Scots law but not in English law for prosecuting medical negligence

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    6. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
      Replying to @JFr4ser @C7RKY and

      A better scenario - someone weaves through traffic at 200mph, breaks don’t work, car is deficient, they attempt some preventative action although the speed makes the action less effective and still cause a pile up are their actions criminally reckless

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    7. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
      Replying to @JFr4ser @doctorcaldwell and

      I was going to reply with something along those lines, but you beat me to it. :) Key point for me is that it's possible to be personally grossly negligent in one's own actions, regardless of any exacerbating flaws around them. Which is what the courts decided.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
      Replying to @C7RKY @doctorcaldwell and

      In Scotland without intent to do harm there wouldn’t be a prosecution for healthcare staff. There are long lists of medics who have been criminally convicted for their wilful & reckless behaviour. The medical community stands behind Dr BG for a reason

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Janine‏ @Janine00050361 Aug 4
      Replying to @JFr4ser @C7RKY and

      Yes, self preservation.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
      Replying to @Janine00050361 @C7RKY and

      No. Intent. Take it out of healthcare and apply to all those within the criminal justice system. We place our belief in a fair judicial system and try to minimise any miscarriages if justice. Self-preservation applies to all of us under these circumstances

      3 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
      Replying to @JFr4ser @Janine00050361 and

      John Clarke Retweeted John Clarke

      It does apply to all of us, but not many groups pull together to try & force a law change to favour themselves as a result. Despite the furore surrounding this case, such prosecutions are so rare it can make current action appear self serving to we pts.https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/1025684028530327557?s=21 …

      John Clarke added,

      John Clarke @C7RKY
      Replying to @C7RKY @dr_shibley
      >> Let's face it, 4 convictions against all HCPs in 5 years doesn't scream undue risk to me. Wouldn't even qualify for disclosure for consent purposes as a %, (prior to the Montgomery judgement., at least). https://twitter.com/C7RKY/status/1011955197726347269 …
      6:06 AM - 4 Aug 2018
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        2. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @Janine00050361 and

          What law change? That drs shouldn’t be prosecute without intent (has precedent under Scots law) or that it shouldn’t lead to an automatic striking off which is a professional issue

          2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        3. Janine‏ @Janine00050361 Aug 4
          Replying to @JFr4ser @C7RKY and

          If grossly careless culpable homicide is possible.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
          Replying to @Janine00050361 @C7RKY and

          If it mirrors Scots law (I don’t know the details if it does or doesn’t) then on what basis could either Parliament or the Supreme Court/Court it Appeal refuse?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Janine‏ @Janine00050361 Aug 4
          Replying to @JFr4ser @C7RKY and

          I'm speaking of Scots law not clear to me what you mean by 'mirroring scores law'? Supreme court is highest court for us all isn't It? Scottish government lost a case there recently, planning to implement an unlawful policy.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Joanne Fraser‏ @JFr4ser Aug 4
          Replying to @Janine00050361 @C7RKY and

          The challenge by Dr BG would be English law. The definitions of GNM, more in line with Scots law?? Convo often in absolutes which is false too, there are variations in degrees of severity and therefore fair sanctions

          2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
        7. Janine‏ @Janine00050361 Aug 4
          Replying to @JFr4ser @C7RKY and

          I never said anything about being more in line with Scots law. You claimed, there would be no prosecution without intent, not true. If found to be grossly careless (22 exceptionally bad failings) a criminal charge of culpable homicide is possible.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
          Replying to @Janine00050361 @JFr4ser and

          Sorry to keep dipping in/out - trying to look after my son at the same time. I don't believe intent should be a GNM requirement either. I'm unaware of that requirement applying to the rest of us & I've heard no convincing argument as to why HCPs should have different rules apply.

          3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
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        2. Dr Umesh Prabhu‏ @DrUmeshPrabhu Aug 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JFr4ser and

          I do not blame any families who have told lies after the death of their loved ones. I am more keen to get rid of bad system bad leaders and make #NHS safest and the best and most honest learning organisation get rid of bad staff @gmcuk @claremarx @TheBMA @MPS_Medical @MDDUS_News

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        3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Aug 4
          Replying to @DrUmeshPrabhu @JFr4ser and

          I'm guessing you mean families who have been told lies here, rather than families who have told lies? Or do you?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Dr Umesh Prabhu‏ @DrUmeshPrabhu Aug 4
          Replying to @C7RKY @JFr4ser and

          #doctors or managers or anyone who lies.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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