Safe spaces that include families? Understand the need to be able to speak out safely, openness and transparency etc. At this point though, how can 'system" expect bereaved to have faith, in a culture, where open and transparent is clear lacking, as has been seen many times.
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Those are very reasonable & important points
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Thank you Ken. :) Didn't matter as it turned out. Despite making it clear in writing that I hadn't complained yet, but would when I was ready, they opened a complaint without me, investigated it, found nothing wrong and closed it again. 9 days start to finish. I was on holiday.
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How does that work? Opening complaint, investigating without involving you?

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Haha! Not just me then? Here's the last email I sent to them before going on holiday. I thought I made it clear enough. What do you think? (You'll see I still believed in regulators back then. Not so much now.)pic.twitter.com/drQZtSo7Md
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But only days later, this was how they described their decision to investigate without me...pic.twitter.com/o1jKsa5kF3
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simultaneous *eye roll and *face palm... some trusts could do a masterclass in 100 ways to sidestep responsibilities by misapplication of legislation.. thing is, they know these acts are inflammatory, we aren't likely to get anywhere and the effect on us is long term
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What is allowed, will continue. Imagine all that time, effort, resources being used, to 'work' with, include families, who simply want the truth. It may be difficult conversations, but may I humbly suggest not nearly as difficult as living with unanswered questions.
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Spot on Deb. I always used to tell my managers that minimum standards are not what you say they are... they're what you're prepared to accept happening without taking action to stop it.
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1. I Think this is why 'complaints' process needs to be independent. Would give more confidence to bereaved? Because 'marking own homework' hasn't historically proved a success in displaying, open and transparent. Identifying 'independent' not so easy, but just because >>
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So true Deb. Tho I think custody of records issue is still a problem tbh. Doesn't matter how independent investigator is, if the records provided are not an accurate reflection of reality. Something I think safe space will make more likely, not less. Crap in/crap out & all that.
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Patients having their own copy of the notes, any investigations, could also help, when paperwork is mislaid? Two copies, to refer to.
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Actually, of the 2024 people who died 87-01 at Gosport, records were only found for 1564. And only 1043 contained sufficient info for the panel to work with. >So 460 missing altogether >Another 521 with items missing I have some serious questions about the 200 figure too.
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I honestly haven't made sense of the numbers yet. Just realised those last ones I gave you are wrong - there's a smaller group to be added to it. So... >2187 pts died >1148 records found (52%) >1039 missing/insufficient records (48%) >456 deaths (40% of available records) BUT...
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>>If you take the fact that 40% of the 1148 cases they WERE able to investigate resulted in determining staff actions had killed the patient & apply that to the 1039 they were unable to investigate, that would be an additional 412 deaths. not 200. What am I missing
@davidhencke?
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2. Something may not be easy, doesn't mean it should be ruled out. Especially if all parts of the 'system' are determined to display openness and transparency.
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