But if it was the syringes fault we can get new syringes, learn lessons and move on. Those useless individuals can just carry on enjoying their state paid NHS pension living it large in Majorca or wherever they are. It was the syringes fault.
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That's exactly my concern, Allyn - syringe drivers seem to be showing early signs of being pushed forward to take on the Lee Harvey Oswald role here. Even if they could be mixed up, how many patient deaths do you have to cause before figuring that out? Not 650, that's for sure.
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Same bullshit different day.
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Haha! 8yrs and counting of that - and I'm still one of the rookies! :)
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I am a novice in this industry but learning fast and starting to realise how much your game needs to adapt. I think the key is learning from other peoples experience as well to filter through the bullshit.
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That is so true. I know I fast-tracked several areas of my understanding by studying other people's experiences. Especially helpful in avoiding the numerous dead ends that NHS likes to lead us down just to try and throw us off the scent. It's shit that we have to really tho, eh?
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Yes john, i am beginning to see this trend also. Thanks for raising it.
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It's bothered me from the very day the report was published Noel. Maybe I've spent too many years listening to the NHS language games - they just jump out at me now. >https://twitter.com/c7rky/status/1009407915931914242?s=21 …
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It's so Orwellian, isn't it? Send chills.
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I guess if staff thought they were giving the drugs over 24hrs and weren’t aware that the syringe drivers were different then the staff didn’t know they were doing something wrong. But if they found the syringe driver empty after a couple of hours, they should have reported it.
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That's true Jim. Of course, the suggestion here is that if they'd made that mistake, they may not just find the syringe driver empty after 2 hours - they may also find a dead/dying patient attached to it too. How many does it take before it's figured out? Not 650, is all I know.
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Depends on the death certification process.
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It does? Maybe overall, but I wouldn't expect to have to look past the local staff on the ward for alarm bells. Only takes 1 experienced nurse to figure out patients are dying when they shouldn't be. Gosport had 7 of them after all - raising 10 points of concern early on.
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I haven’t read the report.. I’m not surprised though. When nurses fail to be heard you need a robust backstop and I think independent medical examiners would provide that.
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I totally agree. And that backstop ought to identify those engaging in cover ups too. I've not read much of the report either yet, but that detail was on pg 4. Detailing a meeting where the concerns were formally raised in July 1991! Those who suppressed it are equally guilt imho
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1991.. it’s unreal isn’t it? (Unless you’re a family membe of someone who died when it’s all too real)
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#NHS" is just the one which best kicks the political football. This is a decades old problem which consecutive governments have failed to address. What is needed will lose you the election. The can of worms it will open will lose the election. -
I think many conflate protecting the NHS with protecting clinicians - and clinicians are only too happy to perpetuate that interpretation to protect their own bums. Problem is; doctors are essential for most serious cover-ups, (inc non-NHS), so they get protected in return, imho.
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Proper management would produce accountability - the one thing they are trying to avoid at all costs. It's the fact that we let them get away with it that staggers me.
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I keep saying this, but its a divide and concur problem and as patients we fail to come together. So many complaints, petitions, etc. but we do not act as one.
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You make an excellent point. Many groups have been formed over the years, but they invariably break up over time as the many different agendas of already traumatised relatives can clash. But when such groups endure, it tends to work - Mid Staffs and Gosport being 2 good examples.
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The Gosport hospital is on a different scale some didn't want to know beaureved families until this 12th review report it's not negligence it's criminal neglect manslaughter or worse murder all those responsible should be held accountable and beaureved families deserve justice
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We really don’t know at the moment. We must wait for the outcome of the fresh police investigation, which will be conducted by a new, previously uninvolved, police force.
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