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    1. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Jun 20

      When did it become acceptable to describe killing someone as 'shortening their lives', as seems to be happening around the Gosport WM Hospital report? Smacks of trying to soften the blow, imply limited remaining life expectancy of victims and avoid the word 'murder' to me.

      4 replies 49 retweets 48 likes
    2. prospero_complex‏ @ComplexProspero Jun 20
      Replying to @C7RKY

      My wife died and for the last few days she was not in pain but could barely breathe (lung mets) and was in a state of terrible distress and fear. I begged the doctors to give her something to make the end quicker and easier. You can’t judge until you’ve been there.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Jun 21
      Replying to @ComplexProspero

      I totally understand that. For me, this is about consent. It's one thing to request/agree to such a treatment plan, but entirely another to have a life-ending intervention imposed upon you without your consent. The patient should be at the heart of all of this, imho.

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    4. prospero_complex‏ @ComplexProspero Jun 21
      Replying to @C7RKY

      That is true however we need to get a sense of proportion. It’s right that the patient and the family should be at the centre of care but doctors helping people have a pain free death is not the same as murder.

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    5. John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Jun 21
      Replying to @ComplexProspero

      It's not murder if that's what the patient wants, of course. But it may well be murder if done without consent, imho. Cases where patients had no terminal diagnosis particularly concern me. Ones where a falsely applied terminal diagnosis is later exposed, concern me even more.

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    6. prospero_complex‏ @ComplexProspero Jun 21
      Replying to @C7RKY

      No one is suggesting that’s what happened here. These cases were all in end of life care.

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      John Clarke‏ @C7RKY Jun 21
      Replying to @ComplexProspero

      That's not my understanding. This was a rehabilitation ward. I believe several who were killed by this intervention were not in end of life care - until it was imposed upon them. A broken hip for example, is obviously not in itself terminal. And Gosport is just 1 example, btw.

      4:41 AM - 21 Jun 2018
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        1. prospero_complex‏ @ComplexProspero Jun 21
          Replying to @C7RKY

          We agree on that. I still think is a complicated area though.

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