No, it's a name that perpetuates the idea that if a woman shagged them then their anger wouldn't exist. It's bullshit. Call them, as per Maron, unfuckable hate nerds. Don't call them by the name with which they find each other online or one that wrongly diagnoses their problem.https://twitter.com/BrydieLK/status/989073529328095232 …
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No, it's a name that reflects their idea that they are wrongly and unfairly denied sex by women, and this is the source of their anger. It's a crappy misogynistic name that we should not validate. Make up a different name for this subgroup - they don't get to define themselves
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But they exist. They have a name, as stupid as it is and we should know it so we can identify them. We can call the Proud Boys “unfuckable racist nerds” because we don’t want to use a name they gave themselves but doesn’t thay make it easier for them to hide in plain sight?
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We can know their name without validating it. Their name is based on misogyny so why perpetuate it? There are plenty of stupid names for racist groups - Aryan brotherhood, etc - but we don't all defer to them. We call them racists.Bigots don't get to self-define.We call them out.
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If someone from the Aryan Brotherhood commits a hate crime we say “this was done by a member of the racist group, the Aryan brotherhood.” Why wouldn’t we say “he was radicalised by self-proclaimed ‘incels’, a group of misogynists who organise online.” Knowing who they are HELPS.
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A newspaper description is clearly very different from people on here and elsewhere referring to "incels" when talking about this case and others like it. The former is giving background to the name, the latter is perpetuating it.
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The latter is in some ways more useful. Every young women should know exactly what it means if a man describes himself as an incel. If we all refuse to use the term then how are they going to find out?
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I believe there's something called the internet? We don't need to perpetuate their crappy misogynistic name by giving it some kind of phoney validity. But we can agree to disagree on this and both get on with our day.
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Yep I’m aware, I’m on the Internet right now but thank you for patronisingly shutting down the discussion!
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