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    1. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
      Replying to @ConceptualJames @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      Dude, this is common knowledge. What is your point?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
      Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      Common knowledge, yes but Kevin here seemed to have forgotten it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
      Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      I don’t think so. I think he was objecting to the risible suggestion that this can be pinned to recent terrorist attack in such a simplistic way

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
      Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      Oh, there may have been motivations beyond the usual ones when people "go postal" (irreparable loss of face/status, etc). That can be debated. Saying "women don't own men shit", while true, adds nothing to the discussion.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
      Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      What discussion?

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    6. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
      Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      Ben Retweeted

      This one. Interesting thread https://twitter.com/goddoesnt/status/988798661160206336?s=21 …

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    7. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
      Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      That’s not a discussion. It’s a lame comment followed by defensive rhetoric

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
      Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

      You may disagree with him, but he's saying that current gender theory is not realistic enough to understand "incel" and that we need to look beyond it. That's hardly a lame comment.

      4:53 PM - 25 Apr 2018
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        2.  🦃Anturkey Scaramucci 🦃‏ @itsbirdemic Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          It was a really lame comment. There's nothing mysterious about incels or some huge puzzle to crack. They have unhealthy views of sex and relationships and devolved into a toxic community instead of emotional growth. No talk of sexual competition necessary.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
          Replying to @itsbirdemic @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          I think we can all agree that they have unhealthy views of sex and relationships. The question is why.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4.  🦃Anturkey Scaramucci 🦃‏ @itsbirdemic Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          Feminism and gender studies already has that covered. Aggrieved entitlement captures the incel culture to a "T"

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 26
          Replying to @itsbirdemic @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          Yes, we know that they feel aggrieved. Why does involuntary celibacy cause such a feeling and why does it often translate to violence and even suicidal violence? What kind of social program or psychological support could be effective here? We need more than just platitudes.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6.  🦃Anturkey Scaramucci 🦃‏ @itsbirdemic Apr 26
          Replying to @BristolBen @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          Yes, that part is captured by the "entitlement" part. It's an outcome of not getting what they think they're deserved by virtue of being male and white. Michael Kimmel covers the concept herehttps://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=7WVGDgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&ots=zcErrk8wsQ&sig=nhqdXm1NLPM0TlYgHdSuQbXr9xw#v=onepage&q&f=false …

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        7. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 26
          Replying to @itsbirdemic @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          I read the review. “White men, he claims, have held the upper hand for so long that equalizing the playing field results in explosive rage” Which white men have held the upper hand? The miners? The factory workers? The binmen? Who is Kimmel talking about?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8.  🦃Anturkey Scaramucci 🦃‏ @itsbirdemic Apr 26
          Replying to @BristolBen @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          Yes. Miners, factory workers, and garbage men have privilege and social advantages from their whiteness and maleness. It doesn't fully counteract class disparities but benefits them compared to other races/genders at similar levels

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 26
          Replying to @itsbirdemic @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt

          So what privilege is this white miner hanging on to, the loss of which is making him so angry? Keeping his job at the mine?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @CathrynTownsend and

          Ben Retweeted the real chris beck

          As for defensive rhetoric, this point actually broadens the discussionhttps://twitter.com/subbeck/status/988800910339035136?s=21 …

          Ben added,

          the real chris beck @SubBeck
          Replying to @ConceptualJames @GodDoesnt
          Most of the men in the middle East are incel, which I've always thought has great relevance but isn't openly discussed.
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          Seriously, spare me this broadening of the discussion.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
          Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          I'd broaden it further to include India and China, where the governments are rightly very concerned about the 70m excess men in their societies. They know it leads to misery... and violence.https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/too-many-men/?utm_term=.bcdd51879614 …

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        2. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          Current gender theory is doing just fine without his help. The research he refers to, in case you hadn’t noticed the irony, is already there

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
          Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          I didn't any specific references (I may have missed it) Do you gender study research? Or research into intrasexual competition? I don't think there is any overlap between the 2, hence the need to go beyond gender studies.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Cathryn Townsend‏ @CathrynTownsend Apr 25
          Replying to @BristolBen @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          I’m an anthropologist. I do it all.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
          Replying to @CathrynTownsend @GodDoesnt @itsbirdemic

          Great! So what was your issue with broadening the discussion beyond gender studies and into the proper behavioural sciences?

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. End of conversation

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