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    1. Colin Davis‏ @ProfColinDavis 4h4 hours ago
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      Colin Davis Retweeted Brian Roemmele

      Not sure why this old research is being recirculated now, but the framing about it reflecting the fact that humans gave up part of our cortex is #neurobollocks. It's a training effect. Yes, chimps are smart, but undergraduates can do this too with a bit of training.https://twitter.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1213860120058220546 …

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      Brian Roemmele @BrianRoemmele
      Consider: millions of years ago our antecedents gave a massive sacrifice of their left hemisphere. We lost a tremendous amount of short term memory and replaced it with Broca’s, Wernicke & the phonological loop. But why? So we can—talk. Thus chimpanzees can do this—we can’t: pic.twitter.com/CDznxg37p1
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    2. Brian Roemmele‏ @BrianRoemmele 4h4 hours ago
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      Colin, interesting insight. How do you propose the correlation to precise area of the chimpanzees brain, when impaired loses short term memory. That area is equivalent to Broca, Wernike and the phonological loop. I would love to read your research on this.

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    3. Colin Davis‏ @ProfColinDavis 3h3 hours ago
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      It's not clear what research finding you're referring to here. Are you making a claim about the effect of lesioning an area of a chimpanzee's brain after it's been trained to perform the task in the video?

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    4. Brian Roemmele‏ @BrianRoemmele 3h3 hours ago
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      Colin, thanks for asking. This research has been performed and other memory tasks. Thus it seems a reasonable hypnosis to connect our memory deficit to the development of the phonological loop.

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    5. Colin Davis‏ @ProfColinDavis 3h3 hours ago
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      Sorry, what research "has been performed"? What other memory tasks? Do you have a specific reference? What do you mean by "our memory deficit"? Students who have received training can perform the task in the video even better than chimps. Paper here: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.689.315&rep=rep1&type=pdf …

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    6. Brian Roemmele‏ @BrianRoemmele 3h3 hours ago
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      Colin, I will link to research when I get home. As for the paper you cite it was not trying to replicate but it was a student group that wanted to disprove. Thus have tainted their process. They never addressed the later research and ignored other findings at other universities.

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    7. Colin Davis‏ @ProfColinDavis 2h2 hours ago
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      Seems like a good paper to me, and there's nothing wrong with them wanting to disprove the strong claim made by Inoue & Matsuzawa. That's how science works. In any case, if you don't like that paper, here's another one: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan_Silberberg/publication/23712278_Memory_for_the_order_of_briefly_presented_numerals_in_humans_as_a_function_of_practice/links/5760233808ae244d0370970c/Memory-for-the-order-of-briefly-presented-numerals-in-humans-as-a-function-of-practice.pdf …

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      Brian Roemmele‏ @BrianRoemmele 2h2 hours ago
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      Colin, thank you. Very familiar with this paper. It uses the 2009 research of 10 memory units. The later work is with 20 memory units. They tried to test humans to this level and failed. So they simply element back to where humans equaled the result.

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        1. Colin Davis‏ @ProfColinDavis 2h2 hours ago
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          Again, I'm not sure what later research you're referring to. I can't find any evidence that Matsuzawa ever responded to either of the papers I've linked to.

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