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Professor in Exile. If we don't harness evolution, it will harness us. That web which shall not be named. Game~B.

Washington State
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    Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16

    Bret Weinstein Retweeted Barry akers

    That which produces great progress in evolutionary theory is inconsistent with building a strong academic carreer in any field. Result: 1. EvoPsych always disappoints. 2. The public has no incling of the insight, health and liberation that could be unlocked with good Darwinism.https://twitter.com/Barryakers6/status/1018938451813588992 …

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    PLEASE don’t explain!
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      2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        Anyone who think that 'EvoPsych always disappoints' should have a look at the recent handbook edited by @davidbusspsych summarizing our field's amazing theoretical & empirical progress since 1990: https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Evolutionary-Psychology-Foundation-ebook/dp/B0178N0Q00/ …

        2 replies 2 retweets 36 likes
      3. Market Aphorist‏ @MarketAphorist Jul 16
        Replying to @primalpoly @BretWeinstein @davidbusspsych

        That's one pricy handbook you got there

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Jul 16
        Replying to @MarketAphorist @BretWeinstein @davidbusspsych

        It's one of the cheapest academic handbooks I've ever seen, actually. Many handbooks are over $1,000 (sold mostly to libraries).

        3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      5. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @primalpoly @MarketAphorist @davidbusspsych

        You are inadvertantly making my point. The racket of academic publishing is one of the structures that holds fields back.

        4 replies 2 retweets 46 likes
      6. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein @primalpoly and

        And actually, if you read carefully the description tells you what you need to know. The field has amazing promise. It is on the verge of answering the most important questions. If you want to be current, you need this book. Should I check back in another generation, then?

        2 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
      7. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein @MarketAphorist @davidbusspsych

        This sounds like a conversation that's worth having at greater length in a more conducive medium. I'm surprised you're so negative about ev psych, when to me, it's just mainstream evo theory applied to human behavioral adaptations.

        5 replies 1 retweet 42 likes
      8. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @primalpoly @MarketAphorist @davidbusspsych

        Agree about the venue. Before we drop it, though, let's be clear about what I am saying. Evo Psych should be earthshattering: Evo Bio of Humans. But the field is "stuck", as most fields are. The synopsis of Buss's handbook could literaly have been written 20 years ago.

        2 replies 1 retweet 20 likes
      9. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein @primalpoly and

        I'm *not* saying that Evo Psych is uniquely stuck, or that there's something wrong with the field's leaders. And I'm not exempting evolutionary biology. Perverse incentives in the academic system have caused a widespread failure.

        2 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
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      2. Aaron Vanderpoel  🎲‏ @aaronv Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        It seems like EvoPsych could easily fall into the naturalistic fallacy. (If it happens in nature, it must be good.) Is that a real risk? Can EvoPsych be looked at with a variety of "fitness terms" beyond just reproduction?

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @aaronv

        I don't think the field itself runs this risk, but it is always in danger of being misinterpreted as normative and prescriptive rather than explanatory and cautionary.

        2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
      4. Aaron Vanderpoel  🎲‏ @aaronv Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        Yeah, gotcha!. So then it seems like lots of people misinterpret explanations for prescriptions. Is there an EvoPsych perspective on that phenomenon?

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Mad Mojo‏ @ElChieftain Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        Skirting dangerously close to the eugenics movement. :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @ElChieftain

        Not remotely. But you can imagine the problem of a field that lives forever under that toxic historical shadow.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Mad Mojo‏ @ElChieftain Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        I can, at the same time the arguments you listed in point 2 are exactly the arguments made in favour of eugenics. Given the human propensity to overindulge in an ideology, I think you can see why I'm being cautious around this.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. End of conversation
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      2. bmga1776‏ @Jake77052429 Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        I may be ignorant regarding "good Darwinism", but isn't Darwinism a true test of survival of the fittest? Only the best and strongest truly deserve to pass on their genetic code? If that is true, then it would be ok to kill off weaker specimans to prevent inferior genes. Right?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @Jake77052429

        Glad you asked. No, this isn't what I meant at all. My point: a high quality understanding of Darwinism (as it applies to humans) would allow people to live vastly better. I also believe that once we understand what selection has built us for, we'll have no choice but to rebel.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Torin McCabe‏ @torinmccabe Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein

        Are institutional limits the same in China, Japan, etc?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Jul 16
        Replying to @torinmccabe

        Great question. I don't think Japan is Independent enough. For historical reasons I suspect China will not lean toward clear-headed Darwinism, but who knows?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. curious gazelle‏ @curiousgazelle Jul 16
        Replying to @BretWeinstein @torinmccabe

        Sir, Motoo Kimura was a Japanese émigré. So is Masatoshi Nei. (So is Francis Fukuyama - an evolutionary thinker in political science in some respects and has been minting it). The Japanese are good at evolutionary theory.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Derek Eichenberger‏ @pwndbyagirl Jul 16
        Replying to @curiousgazelle @BretWeinstein @torinmccabe

        "The neutral theory of molecular evolution holds that at the molecular level most evolutionary changes and most of the variation within and between species is not caused by natural selection but by genetic drift of mutant alleles that are neutral." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motoo_Kimura …

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. curious gazelle‏ @curiousgazelle Jul 16
        Replying to @pwndbyagirl @BretWeinstein @torinmccabe

        Yeah. Evolution by natural selection (ENS) - aka Darwinism - isn't that important for biological change, let alone culture. And Bret is wrong about evo and academia. Most of the academics that have audiences outside the academy are usually evolutionists.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. curious gazelle‏ @curiousgazelle Jul 16
        Replying to @curiousgazelle @pwndbyagirl and

        curious gazelle Retweeted curious gazelle

        To Bret's feeling that evolutionary theory is never treated seriously within different disciplines in the academy...well it's because it's not needed- e.g. in law. Very stupid idea.https://twitter.com/mnm_tweets/status/960295407996850176 …

        curious gazelle added,

        curious gazelle @curiousgazelle
        Zamboni, Mauro. (2008). From 'Evolutionary Theory and Law' to a 'Legal Evolutionary Theory'. German Law Journal, 9(4). German law paper proposes evolutionary theory to marry legal positivism. This is why we left the EU. pic.twitter.com/E3aKaXbzGQ
        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. End of conversation

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