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Bret, if the left had its way the entire country would be evergreened right up the ass. There is no salvaging it. It’s finished. Meet us libertarian minded folk in the new middle..which happens to be on the right (using old terms).
You are missing two bits of nuance I'm not talking about giving "the left its way". The left needs a vibrant right too. And I'm not looking to give the regresive left more power. But the sober left is rising from ashes, and the sober right should root for it-->Shared fate.
I agree we need sane balance on each side. I am afraid the regressive left is too entrenched, the ideology too pervasive, and the delusion too persistent for them and/or the Democrats to be saved. A vote for HRC was a vote for Evergreen. For Trump, against it. Do you agree?
Conservatives are scum by default, centrists are just cowards, mostly middle aged white men with huge privilege playing the voice of reason.
How can someone who is ok with the way things currently are be a coward? Cowards are people who want something different but do not act on it. You’re implying centrists aren’t actually centrists.
How is that not still cowardly? Currently things are not ok, they never have been
Are you unable to see that you’re speaking from your own point of reference and that people may not agree with you? To that end, when will things be “ok”? Or will they never be? Is nihilism the answer then? In that case, you should be comfortable and not trying to change things.
Well aware, what is it we disagree on? Equality, racism, bigotry, womens rights? All things you can't argue against unless you are scum. Are you unable to see this? Why would the left be fighting for nihilism if it's basically the position minorities and women are in now?
I have zero interest in discussing ideology. I’m curious, then: Assuming your views are absolute you imply, do you believe that any means to obtain those ends are justified, or is there a line drawn on the methodology? If so, where is the line?
Me personally, I don't know tbh. As much as I like seeing modern nazi's getting their heads punched in, I still know peaceful protest is the way to go. It's a tough call
"regresive left" Thank you for confirming you are not someone to be paid attention to.
Agreed! The lunatic fringe has dominated the conversation. There needs to be clearer lines on the left between the “left extremists”&”moderates” or the left will collapse and the pendulum will continue in the other direction.
I was a moderate Dem 20 years-- now Deplorable, in spite of myself, for survival. Sine qua non for a sensible left to flourish w/o getting swamped by Evergreen IdPol is _stop the mass 3W migration_. Otherwise, trajectory of left will push the right to very undesirable territory.pic.twitter.com/M1jObMbK5B
Please provide examples of bills or laws the left has implemented in the last decade that make you think it is now a pile of ashes.
Beautifully put, Bret.
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