This may not be the case anymore! Azerbaijan/Armenia war made heavy use of drone-spotted artillery (also suited rough terrain). Indirect, drone-spotted artillery could make the self-propelled howitzer the fundamental unit of war in the 2020s
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @BretDevereaux
Indirect fires are already the fundamental unit of war (since '15), issue is that infantry still has to be flushed out of cover in order for the artillery to kill it. The French dropped tactical nukes worth of explosive per division at La Malmaison and still had hard fighting.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @BretDevereaux
True, but the balance swung quite a bit between fires and maneuver, which was arguably the dominant element of WW2 in most theaters
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @BretDevereaux
Yes and no. WWII was still, IMO, a fires war. Unit collapse only ensued after a frontline had been decisively broken, and that was mostly a fires and positional fighting situation. The Eastern Front was very much a trench war, for example.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @BretDevereaux
Fires are certainly a big part, but strategic encirclements like Dunkirk in 40, Barbarossa cauldrons in 41, or the Stalingrad encirclement in 42/43 seem very maneuver-oriented. German maneuver warfare and Soviet deep battle also matter, Western doctrine seems more fires-focused.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @SashoTodorov1
John Nagl, pressed to come up with a name for US doctrine post WW2, pre-Airland Battle terms if "Overwhelming Firepower Doctrine" in Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife, as I recall. Seemed apt.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
To be fair, that's pretty much everyone's doctrine if they have the tubes and the shells for it. I ran the numbers using a fantastic WWII ammo dataset, and the Soviets were consuming infantry to arty munitions at a 1:12 ton ratio in 1944, the Germans at 1:18, and the US at 1:42.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @ChristoSilvia
Well it's a question also of what resources you have. For the USA, losses in men were politically expensive. Shells were cheap, men were expensive. For the USSR, already under near-total economic mobilization, the reverse might be true. You fit your doctrine to what you have.
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Easy to see strategic bombing in this light too: a strategic bombing campaign for the USA forced Germany to devote resources to a kind of warfare which was *all about* industrial production, where the USA dominated.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
Personally I think the biggest impact of Strategic bombing was more in the resources it forced the Germans to consume defending it than the actual impact of the bombing. WWII was a shell war and AA fire took up immense quantities of explosives that could have been arty rounds.
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And aircraft which could have been CAS or Air Superiority on the Eastern Front! This is the argument that Overy makes in Why the Allies Won and I am persuaded by it.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
The best way to against a strategic air threat during the 1940's may have been to not really fight it that much. Massive British pre-war overcommitment to the RAF and German expenditure on the air war did more to harm their respective land campaigns than prevent internal damage.
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That would be political suicide though, surely! The air war is relatively visible to the majority of the population, so if fighting at the front isn't clearly going well, would the air war be viewed as a signifier of the course of the war?
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