This may not be the case anymore! Azerbaijan/Armenia war made heavy use of drone-spotted artillery (also suited rough terrain). Indirect, drone-spotted artillery could make the self-propelled howitzer the fundamental unit of war in the 2020s
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @BretDevereaux
Indirect fires are already the fundamental unit of war (since '15), issue is that infantry still has to be flushed out of cover in order for the artillery to kill it. The French dropped tactical nukes worth of explosive per division at La Malmaison and still had hard fighting.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @BretDevereaux
True, but the balance swung quite a bit between fires and maneuver, which was arguably the dominant element of WW2 in most theaters
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @BretDevereaux
Yes and no. WWII was still, IMO, a fires war. Unit collapse only ensued after a frontline had been decisively broken, and that was mostly a fires and positional fighting situation. The Eastern Front was very much a trench war, for example.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @BretDevereaux
Fires are certainly a big part, but strategic encirclements like Dunkirk in 40, Barbarossa cauldrons in 41, or the Stalingrad encirclement in 42/43 seem very maneuver-oriented. German maneuver warfare and Soviet deep battle also matter, Western doctrine seems more fires-focused.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ChristoSilvia ja @SashoTodorov1
John Nagl, pressed to come up with a name for US doctrine post WW2, pre-Airland Battle terms if "Overwhelming Firepower Doctrine" in Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife, as I recall. Seemed apt.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
To be fair, that's pretty much everyone's doctrine if they have the tubes and the shells for it. I ran the numbers using a fantastic WWII ammo dataset, and the Soviets were consuming infantry to arty munitions at a 1:12 ton ratio in 1944, the Germans at 1:18, and the US at 1:42.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @ChristoSilvia
Well it's a question also of what resources you have. For the USA, losses in men were politically expensive. Shells were cheap, men were expensive. For the USSR, already under near-total economic mobilization, the reverse might be true. You fit your doctrine to what you have.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
Absolutely-- particularly for the Soviets who fought the entire war with a crippling lack of chemical industrial production (Lend Lease provided 55% of the chemicals for Soviet explosives production) and thus a shell shortage.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @SashoTodorov1 ja @ChristoSilvia
It is, as an aside, hard I think for a lot of people to grasp how important Lend Lease was to the USSR (in part because the Soviets later didn't want to admit it). Mother Russia provided the blood, but a LOT of the metal was reliant on lend lease.
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Though mostly it was about providing industrial goods - chemicals, train cars, engines, etc - so that Soviet industry could focus entirely on producing the direct war materiel (shells, tanks, etc). But that matters, even if it is less visible.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ChristoSilvia
Interestingly even the Soviets admitted internally about how critical the chemicals were. There's notes from a 1963 Politburo meeting where they concede how critical those were in the basic Soviet ability to wage warfare.
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I'd even go so far as to say no lend lease chemicals, no Soviet victory. The Soviets already were fighting under massive artillery ammo constraints. You cut that in half, which is what no lend lease means, and the Soviets are completely incapable of fighting a peer/peer war.
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