I'm back at @ForeignPolicy writing about the task of training auxiliaries, comparing American failures with Roman successes.https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/03/us-military-auxiliary-armies-afghanistan-rome/ …
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @ForeignPolicy
Of course this presupposes a military and politicians interested in the hard work of trying to understand a nation or culture. I suspect the current theory on foreign intervention is either going to be "pretend it doesn't exist" or "leave the second the shooting stops."
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That's the thing, it doesn't suppose that. Roman governors and senators (same people, actually) functionally never learned the local language (except Greek), never bothered to understand local religion or culture. They relied on local elites to mediate all of that.
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Yeah, but your Roman Governor at least could understand that when the local religious leader says "This guy needs to go or there's gonna be a war" that he needs to be see to act. Which sounds far beyond the competence of the State Department or Military, at least the Army.
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The Roman experience in Judaea suggests that they did not possess the sort of competence you are attributing them to, I'm afraid.
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Weirdly that's where I pulled my example from. I just don't think our government could ever get to a point of even trying to put things in the hands of local elites. Especially after Afghanistan and the popular, if wrong, historiography on the situation.
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So, Roman Judaea. In 4AD, the Romans backed the wrong puppet and triggered a revolt and had to crack down violently. Then in 36AD Pilate (that one) the equestrian prefect turned a religious gathering into a massacre at Mt. Gerizim, in part because he didn't get their religion.
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That got Pilate sacked. Then in 37, Caligula nearly triggered a civil war and only avoided it because his governor slow-rolled the implementation. Then in 66AD, the Romans did end up with a major revolt which went until 70 AD.
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Order is restored by Vespasian. Josephus discusses the various provocations, including the Roman procurator pillaging the temple over back taxes, which caused it. The Roman crackdown was brutal and damaging to the province.
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Peace lasted only 62 years; in 132 the province rose up in revolt again, in part because of the plan to build a Roman temple on the temple mount. Another Roman crackdown followed, resulting in Jerusalem being replaced by a Roman colony (Aelia Capitolina)
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Hadrian, the emperor at the time, ordered the Jewish religion suppressed and it seems clear that the number of inhabitants enslaved and deported was substantial. So no, I don't think we should credit the Romans with a working grasp of Judaean politics.
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Ok, mea culpa. And I appreciate the refresher on Roman rule in Judea. However I believe this gets us slightly off the track. 1) Risk averse American bureaucrats and generals aren't going to let local allies keep their own styles without massive oversight and interference.
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2) Creating a military that makes local allies soldiers beyond all their other ties isn't something we have the power to do. The only incentive to grant is American citizenship and pension, and post Afghanistan pull out both will seem illusory at best and insulting at worst.
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