Afghanistan is not Nicaragua. Arming Northern Alliance types against the Taliban is not opposing a "left regime". To the extent that the Taliban had popular support, it was not for economic redistribution or infrastructure investment.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @AsaZernik ja @BretDevereaux
I think we should have left Afghanistan to the Russians and let them bury their heads in the mess for 20 years. I have no illusions that I prefer what Kabul wanted to what a bunch of rural religious extremists wanted.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @OreInNicaragua ja @AsaZernik
Pardon, but that kind of moral equivalence, while rhetorically convenient, is also foolish and sophomoric. The Taliban in power were brutal and murderous, not merely corrupt. Even when out of power, in any year Taliban forces were responsible for 70+% of civilian casualties.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @AsaZernik
I would prefer to have lived in Kabul under the US imposed system, warts and all, to living in a religious dictatorship. But, colonial regimes, per my African history professor, tend to last only 90 years, and in Africa rarely penetrated the hinterlands.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @OreInNicaragua ja @AsaZernik
That rule of thumb doesn't seem very useful. All it really tells us is that colonial regimes that exist longer than a century no longer seem to us to be colonial regimes, but just regimes.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @AsaZernik
You have a doctorate in African history and taught at the University of Ghana under N'Krumba as my professor had done? I just had the year. The colonial rule didn't penetrate the hinterlands. A lot of it was rule by proxy.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @OreInNicaragua ja @AsaZernik
Africa isn't the only place where colonial rule happened. One could quite fairly argue *all* American states, North and South, are colonial states. We only don't think of them that way because of how successfully they have suppressed the original inhabitants.
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The Welsh might fairly argue that England is a colonial state, for either 954 years or c. 1500 years depending on how one views the Normans as reflecting a major discontinuation or not.
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There are examples like this all over the place. The people of Languedoc in France could fairly view themselves as having been colonized by the Northern French in the 1200s and as continuing to languish under a colonial rule which first suppressed their religion (Catharism)...
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...and then their language (the Laguedocien dialect of Occitan). Taking a 90-year-rule as some general rule of thumb works for Africa only because European colonialism in Africa mostly happened and mostly ended around the same time brackets. It isn't a good general theory.
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Though of course it doesn't even work for *other* imperial structures in Africa! Egyptian copts, for instance, might well (and some do!) regard the current government of Egypt as an imperial state tracing its roots back to Arab colonialism c. 646 AD!
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One might, of course, raise the same issues for any North African state with a large Arab population - those are either locals who acculturated to the conquering ruling class or the decedents of settler-colonialists, in either case a consequence of Arab expansion over the area.
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Bret Devereaux uudelleentwiittasi Rebecca Ore
So no, colonial regimes do not always or even particularly frequently fail in around 90 years. Many colonial regimes 'succeed' on their own terms, leading to functionally permanent control of an area and its resources.https://twitter.com/OreInNicaragua/status/1444787605082619911 …
Bret Devereaux lisäsi,
Rebecca Ore @OreInNicaraguaVastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @AsaZernikI would prefer to have lived in Kabul under the US imposed system, warts and all, to living in a religious dictatorship. But, colonial regimes, per my African history professor, tend to last only 90 years, and in Africa rarely penetrated the hinterlands.1 vastaus 0 uudelleentwiittausta 1 tykkäys - Näytä vastaukset
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