I am trying to reconcile the Spartan land dominance of this thread with @BretDevereaux’s fascinating and compelling “The Myth of Sparta” essays and I need help.https://twitter.com/Roelkonijn/status/1412107564452548612 …
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Although the fact that the US is on course to spectacularly lose a war later this year in exactly the same way they lost the Vietnam War less than 50 years ago does suggest that *both* places had/have a problem learning from history.
Sure, although one has to square that with the, in the end, successful counter-insurgency in Iraq. Also, to give the USA credit here, US-Vietnamese relations are now quite friendly and Vietnam is sometimes listed as a potential future US ally. A meaningful strategic shift.
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I guess I was thinking here of the way that in both cases (as well as Iraq) there was much focus on 'kinetic' & logistic capabilities and seemingly limited focus on factors of social & moral cohesion in the client state military (cohesion of the kind you often discuss)
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Obviously in Iraq the countervailing force was that the main armed opposition consisted of a minority of the population and was threatening to the majority. But even there the end result was a mildly Iranian-leaning regime, which I'm not sure was the US strategic objective
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Some of this was raw luck where Deng inexplicably got a bee in his bonnet about Vietnam (rightfully) deposing Pol Pot in Cambodia and ruined Sino-Vietnamese relations, followed by the USSR entering its twilight phase. Not sure this is easily repeatable!
Kiitos. Käytämme tätä aikajanasi parantamiseen. KumoaKumoa
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