Personally, I think this has to do with the fact that they were mailed infantry. We have a decent amount of evidence for Gallic mounted elites wearing mail, but unsurprisingly such an expensive armor seems to have not been used by the infantry.
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Whereas I am quite confident that by the 160s BC, mail was the majority armor-type of the Roman heavy infantry.
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What was the harder formation to emulate? The Roman cohort structure of heavy javelin/big shield/stabby stab - or - sarissa phalanx?
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I'm with
@DrMichaelJTayl1 - it's the legion. The necessary equipment is more expensive and you have to train and prepare for a greater degree of local decision making Sure a file-leader leads his file, but how many units in a phalanx you have individually maneuvering?3 vastausta 0 uudelleentwiittausta 1 tykkäys -
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Alexander's pezhetairoi had 6 taxeis which might maneuver independently, plus the hypaspists. But assuming we buy the standard cascade attack of the legion (and I think we should), every maniple of a legion can maneuver separately.
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So you have that triplex acies w/ potentially thirty separately maneuvering blocks of men per legion, doing substantially more complex maneuvers than the sarissa-phalanx was typically capable of. The number of guys you need who can 'drive' a unit around the field is much higher.
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But are those individual pieces doing that much? Attack. Withdraw. Fall back. Each officer is not maneuvering based on the entirety of the battle, but rather their immediate circumstances. Each syntagma probably weighed similar concerns.
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I mean, both Cynoscephalae and Pydna are fatal to this argument though - in both cases, the Romans are effectively able to maneuver maniples independently and win as a result, and the Antigonids can't, and lose.
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You might argue that the Antigonids just suck, but its the explicit testimony of Polybius - hardly a friend to the Antigonids - that they had the best man-for-man quality phalanx around. Which seems supported by how far above their weight they punch vs. Seleucids and Lagids.
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The Seleucid phalanx had been fighting for years under Antiochus III; I highly doubt it was crap. They lost Raphia, but then romped the Lagids at Panium. I generally find Polybius best taken with a drop of garum.
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It's not clear to me how the military performance of the Seleucids against the Lagids speaks to the relative man-for-man value of the Antigonids. Again: our sources tell us they were, man for man, the best and the fact that, as the smallest, weakest and poorest power...
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...by a substantial margin, I should note! (on this, see Soldiers & Silver), the fact that they were 'in the game' as it were, able to act as a great power in their own right for decades speaks to the point: they 'punch above their weight.'
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But we’re they though? Do we have any major battles of Antigonid phalanx vs Seleucid or Lagid? Most battles in that theater were naval or fringe affairs that never featured the Lagid or Seleucid royal army. Their common foes were Sparta and Achaea.
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