But by the 160s, a lot of folks are trying to imitate the legion, adopting mail and gladii and even trying to mimic the organization with centurions and triplex acies. This includes big powers like the Seleucids, and small ones like the Hasmoneans (Sekunda 2001)
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Are we sure that the Argyraspides literally copied Roman equipment? Or did they just use heavy Galatian or Thorakitai equipment since that already existed?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @GSchoradt ja @DrMichaelJTayl1
On the one hand, it's hard to imagine how the "picked thorakitai" of Ptolemaic Egypt (attested 197 BC) would have been all that different in appearance from legionary heavy infantry. But the Roman organizational scheme and adoption of gladius probably set apart the Daphne 5000
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Yeah, the thing about the Daphne procession is that Polybius is explicit on the 'Romanness' of the picked 5000, which I think argues against reading their equipment as being understood as culturally Galatian.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @ProfPaul_J ja
Personally, I think this has to do with the fact that they were mailed infantry. We have a decent amount of evidence for Gallic mounted elites wearing mail, but unsurprisingly such an expensive armor seems to have not been used by the infantry.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @ProfPaul_J ja
Whereas I am quite confident that by the 160s BC, mail was the majority armor-type of the Roman heavy infantry.
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What was the harder formation to emulate? The Roman cohort structure of heavy javelin/big shield/stabby stab - or - sarissa phalanx?
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@DrMichaelJTayl1 - it's the legion. The necessary equipment is more expensive and you have to train and prepare for a greater degree of local decision making Sure a file-leader leads his file, but how many units in a phalanx you have individually maneuvering?3 vastausta 0 uudelleentwiittausta 1 tykkäys -
That’s a good question. I mean, we see the phalanx opening enough to permit the psiloi to filter back through. And against the Thracians we see the phalanx open gaps to permit the carts to pass through safely. Same at Gaugamela with the scythe chariots.
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Open Ranks and Close Ranks isn't independent maneuver though. Even the 'dumbfire missile' hoplite phalanx could alternate between tighter and looser spacing within a unit.
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Also, lest we forget, the Romans have what are almost certainly file-leaders too, the decanus. We don't have them attested for the Republic, but they have the same base-10 system naming roots as the centurions and so must be similarly old.
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And we'd be silly to assume that it is just random chance that the standard file-depth of a Roman legion just *happens* to also be the size of the contubernium.
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