This article is riddled with problems, but two jumped out immediately: 1. Who pronounces it ah-GOJ-uh? Is this an American pronunciation that I have just never come across? 2. Child soldier is a wholly inappropriate term here, both morally and factually.https://twitter.com/whencyclopedia/status/1404727565907025921 …
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @reeshistory
I've heard uh-go-gee before as a mispronunciation. As for the child-soldier terminology, I'd leap to defend them that I've made that argument...but they don't cite it, so
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @reeshistory
On the similarities between the agoge and the modern indoctrination of child soldiers, see the last few sections of https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/ … Currently working on a more formal version of this argument.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Hmmm I look forward to seeing your paper when you finish it, for now I am not convinced the comparison is valid - but maybe the full case just needs to be made.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @reeshistory
I'll be sure to send it your way for comment once it's ready (though it is currently in the queue behind a few other things, so it may be a while).
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @reeshistory
I do think a lot in the comparison depends on what in the ancient evidence you find credible. Part of the reason I want to make the argument is to point out that taking our sources at their word produces a recognizable real-world system, which may lend them some plausibility.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
That is fair - I am openly critical of Plutarch's wet-dream version of Sparta, but if you take him at his word I can see how you might get there.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @reeshistory
I tend to see Sparta existing on a spectrum, with one end where our sources are largely reliable and Sparta is a truly horrifying dystopian hell-hole and the other end where our sources are mostly liars and Sparta is modestly disappointing polis.
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The more reliable we think the literary sources are, the more Sparta is a uniquely bad place. The less reliable we think they are, the more Sparta is a bland, commonly bad place.
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