If I’m honest, I’ve not thought it through that far yet. Or I did, but I’ve forgotten my conclusions. I’m off on leave at the end of next week and plan to use the hols to swot up.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @TooFatLardies
I’m in the just reusing stuff camp as regardless of the problems of retraining troops in the field why would you adopt the tactical system of your enemy whilst your current system is winning?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @wargamesodyssey ja @TooFatLardies
It’s in Polybius Book 3 Chapter 87. I don’t think there’s any other mention of it. Unfortunately I don’t read Greek so I can’t check the original but the translator is very good (Robin Waterfield). I think the word re-equipped is important as it doesn’t say retrained anywherepic.twitter.com/RyGy086ZHU
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @wargamesodyssey ja @TooFatLardies
On this general topic, listen to our interview with
@BretDevereaux on Ancient Warfare podcast #150: http://thehistorynetwork.org/aw150-introducing-mail-armour-in-the-roman-army/ … (I forget if we went over this too, or I read it in his article)1 vastaus 0 uudelleentwiittausta 2 tykkäystä -
Thanks, I shall have a listen
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Livy reports this detail as well (Liv. 33.46.4) but Livy is almost certainly using Polybius as his source, so this doesn't provide independent confirmation.
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I’m just wondering if a Carthaginian soldier is potentially already familiar with a thureos is it such a big step to then use a Roman scutum?
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It's a bigger shield, but I wonder what Polybius here means by 'in the Roman manner' (εἰς τὸν Ῥωμαϊκὸν τρόπον). One might parallel Plb. 30.25.3, the Seleucid military parade at Daphne.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @wargamesodyssey ja
There, the parade is led by troops "Equipped in Roman style, armored in mail coats" which might suggest that Polybius has armor, as much as shields and weapons, in mind when he thinks about troops being (re)equipped in Roman style.
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Yes, that’s entirely possible. It’s a shame they’re not really mentioned again or else they’re standard troops reequipped with mail and that’s why they seem to disappear as we’re looking for Roman style tactics but it’s purely a change in body armour not function?
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The extent and evidence for Roman-style 'military reform' in Hellenistic armies is an active area of debate. You want to read N. Sekunda, Hellenistic Infantry Reform in the 160's BC (2006), but also note C. Fischer-Bovet, Army and Society in Ptolemaic Egypt (2014) for a retort.
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Thank you. Is Sekunda’s book an updated version of the 2 separate volumes he wrote of the Seleukids and Ptolemies? I have his Seleukid work but never did get the Ptolemaic one. The other book is on my to read list along with another recently published work on the same army
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @wargamesodyssey, @BretDevereaux ja
This is the other Ptolemaic study I was reading till I got distracted by colonial Africahttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Army-Ptolemaic-Egypt-323-Institutional/dp/1473833833/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1NDT6H92NZUCO&dchild=1&keywords=ptolemaic+egypt&qid=1622152625&s=books&sprefix=Ptol%2Caps%2C176&sr=1-1 …
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