Bret Devereaux

think "king that takes half your crop and kills you if you resist" sorta control compared to "factory worker where you're always being observed and have a super specific set of actions your supposed to carry out and get corrected on any deviations from the norm"

obviously military has been a huge source of practices of discipline. it seems like this flavor or micro-managing discipline though only really become huge and developed round time of frederick the great and napoleon

i want to read sources about what military training like was in sparta, because my hunch is that it's hella disciplined in the standard usage of the word, but very distinctly NOT foucaults micro-managy discicpline

like, more time practicing fighting wolves, less time practicing the 18 disctinct motions involved in drawing your sword

i guess next i'd be interested in seeing how roman training compares! Bret points to it being a lot more complex and more strategic, though i wonder if the power structure of this discipline will look like the examples foucault uses from the 18th century

@BretDevereaux do you have recommendations for a short survey on the details of roman military training? specifically, what drills were like, how they were managed/administered, how was "discipline and order" maintained? i'm trying to get the flavor of the power/control used

So the idea you are getting at here is, unsurprisingly, complex but to try to get an overview of it, I might suggest starting out by taking a look at W. Lee, Waging War (2015), look at chapters 3, 4, 7 and 9. The concept you want is 'synchronized discipline.'