i'm reading discipline and punish, and most of it's time is spent giving shit tons of examples for a particular type of power it names discipline, which is more or less the micromanagement of people's bodies and actions.
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it traces the lineage of different practices of discipline, and claims that mid 19th century they all sorta combined together into a whole way of orienting to society through discipline
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think "king that takes half your crop and kills you if you resist" sorta control compared to "factory worker where you're always being observed and have a super specific set of actions your supposed to carry out and get corrected on any deviations from the norm"
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obviously military has been a huge source of practices of discipline. it seems like this flavor or micro-managing discipline though only really become huge and developed round time of frederick the great and napoleon
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i want to read sources about what military training like was in sparta, because my hunch is that it's hella disciplined in the standard usage of the word, but very distinctly NOT foucaults micro-managy discicpline
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like, more time practicing fighting wolves, less time practicing the 18 disctinct motions involved in drawing your sword
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@BretDevereaux seems to have answered my questions in terms of sparta! seems like despite having really harsh violent and brutal military indoctrination, there wasn't anything resembling the fine-grained "discipline" foucault talks about https://twitter.com/FredRKozlowski/status/1390405705790803969?s=20 …pic.twitter.com/WxABbi9Ol2
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i guess next i'd be interested in seeing how roman training compares! Bret points to it being a lot more complex and more strategic, though i wonder if the power structure of this discipline will look like the examples foucault uses from the 18th century
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@BretDevereaux do you have recommendations for a short survey on the details of roman military training? specifically, what drills were like, how they were managed/administered, how was "discipline and order" maintained? i'm trying to get the flavor of the power/control used2 vastausta 0 uudelleentwiittausta 1 tykkäysNäytä tämä ketju -
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So the idea you are getting at here is, unsurprisingly, complex but to try to get an overview of it, I might suggest starting out by taking a look at W. Lee, Waging War (2015), look at chapters 3, 4, 7 and 9. The concept you want is 'synchronized discipline.'
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On the Romans in particular, the back half of J.E. Lendon, Soldiers & Ghosts (2006) goes into the Roman idea of disciplina.
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That said, synchronized discipline - men moving together in time - is a big part of Roman and Macedonian military training. So there is a fair bit of micromanaging people's bodies in all of this (though I don't find Foucault a particularly useful lens for understanding this.)
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It is also not distinctly or even particularly western of European, a point that Lee makes quite well - the Han are doing synchronized discipline at the same time and in much the same way as the Romans.
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