https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/opinion/afghanistan-biden-troops.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage … This article perfectly illustrates a big point in an article I'm working on. Stephens argues that the main reason to stay in AF is to prevent the image of weakness/decadence that originally motivated AQ's attacks in the late 90s and 911. There's some...
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evidence that UBL saw us as a paper tiger, but many conservatives created a narrative where USFP was totally excused as a factor behind the rise of transnational terrorism and the only acceptable explanations were A. Lewis' civilizational crisis and B. extremist hatred of the...
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U.S. way of life/values. When other rationales for the GWOT started to collapse, like IQ WMD, they could always lean back on "we need to fight to demonstrate resolve because lack of resolve got us hit in the first place." To simply fight, within this logic, is to win...
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or at least not lose.
@ahsanib's work explores this "demonstration effect" issue re the Iraq War extremely well. My piece is trying to bring in the cultural/intellectual/political side of things to explore how this mentality became embedded on the right and persists today.1 vastaus 0 uudelleentwiittausta 2 tykkäystäNäytä tämä ketju -
Stephens' piece is a textbook case of looking at only one factor behind terrorism, the one that aligns with the conservative critique of U.S. society, and making that THE cause and THE reason to keep fighting in AF...
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I'm certainly willing to consider arguments for keeping a presence in AF, but demonstrating resolve is not one of them.
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One thing at work here, I suspect, is the shaping effect that public opinion places. Historically speaking, most empires, hegemons, great powers, etc. have been very comfortable waging expressly punitive expeditions in response to being attacked.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @joestieb
But the American self-conception makes it hard to justify a punitive operation as a resolve-showing-measure. We *do* lots of punitive operations, but we have to call them something else, or pretend they're actually intended to alter behavior or deter or what have you.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
That's a super interesting angle on this Bret, although I wonder how long the punitive motive lasted in AF. Like, who are we punishing at this point? Again, I'm not necessarily for Biden's withdrawal, but I'm looking for better args than Stephens'.
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I think I am for withdrawal, but I'd like to see a real effort at promise-keeping, re: translators and other allies. Either bring them here or set up the peace so as to establish a city-state of Kabul and send them there.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
That's a bare minimum, agreed.
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